Formation 4-6-0

[nasser95]

Nasser, I'm sure we would all rather be praising him for picking the right players, in the right formations and playing an entertaining brand of football, rather than for strange team selections, poor substitutions and some of the most mind numbingly boring rubbish that most of us have witnessed in years.

I may be wrong, but do a poll if you want a stat.

So now apparently the most standard formation in all of europe has become the wrong formation. The problem I see here is that fans are way too short term. You wanna build something so that we go up and stay up, you do it in the right way. That's not playing 442 with a target man, but playing a 4231 with solid holding midfielders who release quickly to a more creative attacking trio behind a striker. You wanna succeed in the prem? You teach your team to play triangles and to hold the ball. Make the opposition do the running and instead of closing down the ball holder too much, close his potential passes down. We did exactly that last night and snuffed out one of the most in form teams in this league. Saying they played 5hit and thats why they didn't win, you're right, but they played that way because we didn't allow them to play any other way. Tell me what was wrong with the starting line up yesterday? Toszer? thought he did fine? Not starting Fer? He's the only player on that bench who I would consider a good replacement for JET up front and CR knows that. But because people just go by what they see, they refuse to accept that.

[bakes8]

Fer has played forward in the past for Netherlands as a Sub and for Feyenoord. Fer has the same qualities as JET in terms of size, strength, better jumping, Passing, dribbling, long shooting. Just because a player is listed in a position, doesn't mean he can't play in another. But people just wanna criticise CR so they will find anything they can.

Complete nonsense, I'd rather be praising the guy after tactical genius and a 4-0 win but I cant.

Never heard of Fer playing as a striker and his goalscoring record kinda proves that. Wiki list him as a Central Midfielder and that's all I've ever seen him play.

But people just don't wanna critisize CR so they will find anything they can.

[bakes8]

So now apparently the most standard formation in all of europe has become the wrong formation. The problem I see here is that fans are way too short term. You wanna build something so that we go up and stay up, you do it in the right way. That's not playing 442 with a target man, but playing a 4231 with solid holding midfielders who release quickly to a more creative attacking trio behind a striker. You wanna succeed in the prem? You teach your team to play triangles and to hold the ball. Make the opposition do the running and instead of closing down the ball holder too much, close his potential passes down. We did exactly that last night and snuffed out one of the most in form teams in this league. Saying they played 5hit and thats why they didn't win, you're right, but they played that way because we didn't allow them to play any other way. Tell me what was wrong with the starting line up yesterday? Toszer? thought he did fine? Not starting Fer? He's the only player on that bench who I would consider a good replacement for JET up front and CR knows that. But because people just go by what they see, they refuse to accept that.

You need to stop playing Championship Manager bud, this is real, the game is played on grass not the Computer screen or as numbers on a bit of paper.

[West London is Rss]

Never quite known any fan like Nasser... Stubborn is not even the word!!

Pretty much every fan on here now has a differing opinion to you but you still think you are in the right and respond with paragraphs and paragraphs...

Quite amazing really, if not slightly odd. Never seen anything like it.

[brightonr]

So now apparently the most standard formation in all of europe has become the wrong formation. The problem I see here is that fans are way too short term. You wanna build something so that we go up and stay up, you do it in the right way. That's not playing 442 with a target man, but playing a 4231 with solid holding midfielders who release quickly to a more creative attacking trio behind a striker. You wanna succeed in the prem? You teach your team to play triangles and to hold the ball. Make the opposition do the running and instead of closing down the ball holder too much, close his potential passes down. We did exactly that last night and snuffed out one of the most in form teams in this league. Saying they played 5hit and thats why they didn't win, you're right, but they played that way because we didn't allow them to play any other way. Tell me what was wrong with the starting line up yesterday? Toszer? thought he did fine? Not starting Fer? He's the only player on that bench who I would consider a good replacement for JET up front and CR knows that. But because people just go by what they see, they refuse to accept that.

Nasser, I'm not for a second criticising any particular formation. They can all have positives and downsides.

What I am saying and you clearly aren't grasping, is that if you wish to play a certain formation, then you need to be picking players that are comfortable within it in order to perform close to their best. Conversely, if you haven't got those players, then you need to devise a way of playing that does get the best out of them.

I don't claim to be an expert for one moment, but I really feel (and it seems that the vast majority agree with me), that he isn't doing this and that is the reason our performances are so consistently bad along with results. Please don't tell me that we should be as far off the top of the table with the players we have available, as we are. Or that those teams at the top have better squads.

This season's shambles is mainly down to the manager mate. Nearly everyone else can see it. No wonder you don't trust your eyes.

[knocker]

Never quite known any fan like Nasser... Stubborn is not even the word!!

Pretty much every fan on here now has a differing opinion to you but you still think you are in the right and respond with paragraphs and paragraphs...

Quite amazing really, if not slightly odd. Never seen anything like it.

He's a real wierdo.

[nasser95]

Nasser, I'm not for a second criticising any particular formation. They can all have positives and downsides.

What I am saying and you clearly aren't grasping, is that if you wish to play a certain formation, then you need to be picking players that are comfortable within it in order to perform close to their best. Conversely, if you haven't got those players, then you need to devise a way of playing that does get the best out of them.

I don't claim to be an expert for one moment, but I really feel (and it seems that the vast majority agree with me), that he isn't doing this and that is the reason our performances are so consistently bad along with results. Please don't tell me that we should be as far off the top of the table with the players we have available, as we are. Or that those teams at the top have better squads.

This season's shambles is mainly down to the manager mate. Nearly everyone else can see it. No wonder you don't trust your eyes.

To a degree, you are right. You should maximise your potential with your formation. BUT, when the only players who look uncomfortable with the formation is the back four, then it makes sense to teach them to adapt by playing them that way. We should be higher up based on the players we have. Do I scapegoat the manager? No, the players have made a lot of individual errors which cost us. If we start changing our whole team because Clint and Ned don't want to keep it on the ground, we aren't doing things right. We are digging ourselves a hole in the long term. I would rather see us adapt to this formation than see us go back to a cr@ppy 442 where all we do is punt it up top. I know for an absolute fact that if we did what every fan here wanted and did exactly that, they would still complain that the football is 5hit. That's because QPR fans do not want to see the long term, they want the short term to be perfect while they blissfully ignore the future.

[nasser95]

You need to stop playing Championship Manager bud, this is real, the game is played on grass not the Computer screen or as numbers on a bit of paper.

Yet here you are, on a computer screen discussing the game. Please do not patronise me with your bull5hit philosophies about what I do and how the game is played. I know very well how its played and I know damn well how it should be played. Just because you don't want to be happy with what you saw, doesn't mean I can't be. If you give me facts that prove that yesterday we didn't threaten, I might take you more seriously, but you haven't all you've done is criticise things because you need to. Not because its true.

[nasser95]

Complete nonsense, I'd rather be praising the guy after tactical genius and a 4-0 win but I cant.

Never heard of Fer playing as a striker and his goalscoring record kinda proves that. Wiki list him as a Central Midfielder and that's all I've ever seen him play.

But people just don't wanna critisize CR so they will find anything they can.

You probably never heard of Fer before you watched him at the world cup for about 5 minutes as a sub, if that. The fact that you say his goalscoring record proves that is because he generally does play centre midfielder. You're right, I never said otherwise. But he has played quite a bit up front and his attributes, as I said above, suit that of a striker.

[bakes8]

Yet here you are, on a computer screen discussing the game. Please do not patronise me with your bull5hit philosophies about what I do and how the game is played. I know very well how its played and I know damn well how it should be played. Just because you don't want to be happy with what you saw, doesn't mean I can't be. If you give me facts that prove that yesterday we didn't threaten, I might take you more seriously, but you haven't all you've done is criticise things because you need to. Not because its true.

You're angry and insane bud. I suggest you take a bit of time off this forum and re-evaluate. You're miles off target here and the only one who can't see it.

Even LF says Ramsey needs to up his game.... But hey-ho, Nas is happy so lets all keep singing songs and holding hands.

[bakes8]

You probably never heard of Fer before you watched him at the world cup for about 5 minutes as a sub, if that. The fact that you say his goalscoring record proves that is because he generally does play centre midfielder. You're right, I never said otherwise. But he has played quite a bit up front and his attributes, as I said above, suit that of a striker.

Leroy Fer was at Norwich u plum, of course I knew who he was.

Btw.... He played Central Midfield there as well.

[West Acton]

Yet here you are, on a computer screen discussing the game. Please do not patronise me with your bull5hit philosophies about what I do and how the game is played. I know very well how its played and I know damn well how it should be played. Just because you don't want to be happy with what you saw, doesn't mean I can't be. If you give me facts that prove that yesterday we didn't threaten, I might take you more seriously, but you haven't all you've done is criticise things because you need to. Not because its true.

You have got some front accusing posters of being patronising your the most patronising and condesending poster, in my opinion, on this forum

Any good point you make is lost in the rest of the S hite you spout

[nasser95]

Leroy Fer was at Norwich u plum, of course I knew who he was.

Btw.... He played Central Midfield there as well.

Yea he did, again I know that. I should rephrase what I've said, you probably never took notice of him beyond a knowledge of who he was to the very basics before his goals for netherlands at the world cup. I've followed the bloke for years since I've been watching the eredivisie. Anyone who saw him back then will say that he had the right attributes and anyone who sees him now should say that he does as well. Just for this, lets ignore his position or whatever. Do you think that he has any characteristics that would limit how good he was at striker?

[nasser95]

You have got some front accusing posters of being patronising your the most patronising and condesending poster, in my opinion, on this forum

Any good point you make is lost in the rest of the S hite you spout

All I've done is tried to state facts and as soon as I do, the first thing I get from people is abuse without reading what I post. Positivity gets dried up and hung on here because no one else feels it. I don't intentionally condescended much. The only time I've done it to my recollection was just there in that post. Tell me how you'd react when the first thing you see posted about what you've said is that you're insane, or that no one is surprised that you are positive but no one wants you to be.

[West Acton]

All I've done is tried to state facts and as soon as I do, the first thing I get from people is abuse without reading what I post. Positivity gets dried up and hung on here because no one else feels it. I don't intentionally condescended much. The only time I've done it to my recollection was just there in that post. Tell me how you'd react when the first thing you see posted about what you've said is that you're insane, or that no one is surprised that you are positive but no one wants you to be.

How I would react if 99% of people were saying the opposite thing to me is perhaps I'm wrong on this occasion. It's not about a party line and trying to be positive its about being upfront and honest about what is actually happening

It's like you think you can just brain wash everyone into thinking what your saying is right when your more or less now the only person saying it your WATRB f ucking version of Goebbels

You have been preaching b leeding positivity since last season!!!! Reality check it never worked last season we got relegated and its not working this season either get in the real world Nasser