Goals Scored

[Ramsey is god]

Pick a consistent back 5 and have Perch nowhere near it.

Job done.

i don't argue with that, only problem is who at RB?

[AlamoR]

Ok, give credit to Ramsey for the goals scored record. He's then accountable for our defensive record. One needs fixing and hasn't been fixed.

At the end of the day, his record is what it is and it is poor. The football is dire most of the time and he continue to select players who haven't performed.

Bottom line, for me it is black and white. Ramsey is the wrong man for the job. For others he still is the right man.

[nasser95]

Ok, give credit to Ramsey for the goals scored record. He's then accountable for our defensive record. One needs fixing and hasn't been fixed.

At the end of the day, his record is what it is and it is poor. The football is dire most of the time and he continue to select players who haven't performed.

Bottom line, for me it is black and white. Ramsey is the wrong man for the job. For others he still is the right man.

So you are saying having a poor defensive record despite an incredible attacking record makes his record poor? The football is dire at times but we also see some nice football, if we didn't we wouldn't have scored as many goals would we?

[Shepherds Mush]

i don't argue with that, only problem is who at RB?

I'd go totally leftfield and try out Diakite.

[AlamoR]

I'm saying goals for and against are what they are. One needs to be fixed and hasn't been. By record I mean wins and losses. W 8, L14 D5. 29 points out of a possible 81.

I don't begrudge anyone who rates and want him to stay at QPR. I simply don't understand it. The notion seems to be that he'll turn it around given time. Based on what? Goals scored? He has almost exclusively worked as YT coach prior to his promotion at QPR and his record in the above indicates he's way over his head.

[Shania]

Give the same defence a chance and stop messing about with the holding midfield. Faurlin and Luongo or Luongo and Tozer alternatively. Job done.

[Ginger Ninja]

Give the same defence a chance and stop messing about with the holding midfield. Faurlin and Luongo or Luongo and Tozer alternatively. Job done.

By Toszer, I'm assuming you mean Sandro? You can't possibly think Tozser has done a good enough job to keep his place in the starting 11 surely?

[Ramsey is god]

Give the same defence a chance and stop messing about with the holding midfield. Faurlin and Luongo or Luongo and Tozer alternatively. Job done.

This is what happens when fans who never attend a game start to give advice. Fairly sure based on what he has done so far, no1 who has actually watched our games would want Toszer in there.

[Ramsey is god]

Ok, give credit to Ramsey for the goals scored record. He's then accountable for our defensive record. One needs fixing and hasn't been fixed.

At the end of the day, his record is what it is and it is poor. The football is dire most of the time and he continue to select players who haven't performed.

Bottom line, for me it is black and white. Ramsey is the wrong man for the job. For others he still is the right man.

Fair point mate and like the way you actually back your argument up. only my Opinion but:

1) The standard of football has been dire for seasons if we are being honest. People done nothing but moan the season we won the play off final.

2) Although no where near as poor at the back as we were i think we have adopted the same ethos as Bournemouth had last year and go out to score more than you. Think it maes for more entertaining games, ala Bolton.

3) Think his record is majorly skewed due to the Prem experience he inherited. I wouldn't judge him on that and would almost write off that part of the record entirely.

Assuming we are not in a relegation battle at any stage, i think we owe it to ourselves to give him a chance and QPR of some stability. He was clearly appointed with the boards thinking of the future and not "We must get promoted again at all cost" type of feeling last time round. Happy for him to have until January 2017 as that is sufficient time for him to make his mark ad judge where we are as a club then. Think he will get that as well based on the contract we gave him.

[THE CAT]

Fair point mate and like the way you actually back your argument up. only my Opinion but:

1) The standard of football has been dire for seasons if we are being honest. People done nothing but moan the season we won the play off final.

2) Although no where near as poor at the back as we were i think we have adopted the same ethos as Bournemouth had last year and go out to score more than you. Think it maes for more entertaining games, ala Bolton.

3) Think his record is majorly skewed due to the Prem experience he inherited. I wouldn't judge him on that and would almost write off that part of the record entirely.

Assuming we are not in a relegation battle at any stage, i think we owe it to ourselves to give him a chance and QPR of some stability. He was clearly appointed with the boards thinking of the future and not "We must get promoted again at all cost" type of feeling last time round. Happy for him to have until January 2017 as that is sufficient time for him to make his mark ad judge where we are as a club then. Think he will get that as well based on the contract we gave him.

1) Yes I would agree the football has been pretty dire for seasons, but that has been down to consistent poor management from Hughes, Saggy chops and now Ramsey.
I would actually say that the last time we actually played decent football and were set up as a proper team was when Warnock was in charge.
The squads each of those 3 had were a lot better than Warnock's but he actually had us set up correctly and everyone knew what they were supposed to be doing, whereas now nobody really has a clue.

2) You don't think we are anywhere near as bad at the back as we were?? 20 goals conceded against a lot of poor teams, Bolton had only scored 6 all season before they scored 3 at our place, Blackburn should have been 3 or 4 up at half-time, Rotherham got 2 and could quite easily have had more, and so on.
Ramsey has had a lot of time to improve things in that area but we do not seem to be getting any better, that is the problem.

3) He has had about 30 games and a win ratio of roughly 25%, a third of those games being in the Championship, that's plenty of time. As I said if I could see that we were improving as a unit then fair enough, but we are getting worse.

I am all for stability and do not want to have knee-jerk sackings all the time, but IMO we need to draw a line under this one and get rid.

[Hertford Hoop]

By Toszer, I'm assuming you mean Sandro? You can't possibly think Tozser has done a good enough job to keep his place in the starting 11 surely?

She must do Ninja, no one could want him ahead of Sandro

[stanistheman]

Just thought i would post this thread as every other thread has a comment knocking Ramsey or everyone else at the club for the amount of goals we concede. "youth team coach" "do we actually do defending on training" and the such.

However, are people actually aware we have scored the most goals in the league? Would have thought that given our poor scoring record previously, Ramsey has done a great job in turning that round? Ok Austin has a few, but nice to see the goals being spread around as-well.

Does this just sum out the general negativity on here that in every thread defending is bought up, but cant actually remember anyone saying anything about our scoring record.

Makes for far better watching and give me a 4-3 any day over a 1-0.

Also seems to make light of this argument that people were demanding 2 up front and we "go at teams". How much more gun-ho do people want to be?

Maybe QPR can score 4 against the likes of Rotherham and Bolton but lets see how they do at Birmingham, Brighton Middlesborough or Derby i.e. well drilled sides.
He cannot coach a team to defend nor is there any real shape to them.
The quality at his disposal is good which is why they can score goals and not down to his coaching.

[stanistheman]

1) Yes I would agree the football has been pretty dire for seasons, but that has been down to consistent poor management from Hughes, Saggy chops and now Ramsey.
I would actually say that the last time we actually played decent football and were set up as a proper team was when Warnock was in charge.
The squads each of those 3 had were a lot better than Warnock's but he actually had us set up correctly and everyone knew what they were supposed to be doing, whereas now nobody really has a clue.

2) You don't think we are anywhere near as bad at the back as we were?? 20 goals conceded against a lot of poor teams, Bolton had only scored 6 all season before they scored 3 at our place, Blackburn should have been 3 or 4 up at half-time, Rotherham got 2 and could quite easily have had more, and so on.
Ramsey has had a lot of time to improve things in that area but we do not seem to be getting any better, that is the problem.

3) He has had about 30 games and a win ratio of roughly 25%, a third of those games being in the Championship, that's plenty of time. As I said if I could see that we were improving as a unit then fair enough, but we are getting worse.

I am all for stability and do not want to have knee-jerk sackings all the time, but IMO we need to draw a line under this one and get rid.

Spot on.
He needs to go asap.

[nasser95]

Maybe QPR can score 4 against the likes of Rotherham and Bolton but lets see how they do at Birmingham, Brighton Middlesborough or Derby i.e. well drilled sides.
He cannot coach a team to defend nor is there any real shape to them.
The quality at his disposal is good which is why they can score goals and not down to his coaching.

We scored 3 at Wolves who many considered a well drilled side. We scored 2 against Cardiff, again a well drilled side. Give it a rest that its the players and not the coaching if you are going to criticise his defensive coaching.

[Ramsey is god]

1) Yes I would agree the football has been pretty dire for seasons, but that has been down to consistent poor management from Hughes, Saggy chops and now Ramsey.
I would actually say that the last time we actually played decent football and were set up as a proper team was when Warnock was in charge.
The squads each of those 3 had were a lot better than Warnock's but he actually had us set up correctly and everyone knew what they were supposed to be doing, whereas now nobody really has a clue.

2) You don't think we are anywhere near as bad at the back as we were?? 20 goals conceded against a lot of poor teams, Bolton had only scored 6 all season before they scored 3 at our place, Blackburn should have been 3 or 4 up at half-time, Rotherham got 2 and could quite easily have had more, and so on.
Ramsey has had a lot of time to improve things in that area but we do not seem to be getting any better, that is the problem.

3) He has had about 30 games and a win ratio of roughly 25%, a third of those games being in the Championship, that's plenty of time. As I said if I could see that we were improving as a unit then fair enough, but we are getting worse.

I am all for stability and do not want to have knee-jerk sackings all the time, but IMO we need to draw a line under this one and get rid.

Sorry mate., that point two does not make sense to the point i was trying to make. I was trying to say, although we are far poorer at the back than Bournemouth......we are following their approach.

Agree with your summary on point one about Warnock and a well drilled side.

Dont agree with your stat on point 3. Can only judge him on this season i think and 10 games is no where near enough. give him the season and think we will finish where most realistic fans expect us to be.