Ramsey on the problem with our defence...

[dave58]

Im not sure if these posts are a wind up anymore or not? what the farking hell has les ferdinand got to do with how many goals we concede?

Should he also be praised as we are the highest scorers?

"Ramsey is a youth team coach" is really getting old quite quickly. Yet everyone has a farking problem that he isnt playing Harriman or Doughty isnt playing enough, so perhaps not youth team coach?

Well I'll tell you what it's got to do with our so called DOF, he employed a novice manager, who is at best a youth coach, also he bought and loaned the players that his mate has brought in as someone has already stated Perch ,Angella,Hall,Toszer , as I've said they don't have a clue and the sooner they're gone the better in my view, because the DOF was once a good player for us doesn't make him good at what he does now, (re Ray Wilkins) had no previous experience as a DOF, only reserve team coach at spurs

[QPRDave]

I agree.

I agree with your post, the defenders individually are well thought of by previous clubs...
That's what annoys everyone I think, they are easily good enough,....just need to get confidence.

[Shania]

Jurgen Klopp yesterday said something that we can relate to this thread. "You build from the back", he said.

[Shania]

Well I'll tell you what it's got to do with our so called DOF, he employed a novice manager, who is at best a youth coach, also he bought and loaned the players that his mate has brought in as someone has already stated Perch ,Angella,Hall,Toszer , as I've said they don't have a clue and the sooner they're gone the better in my view, because the DOF was once a good player for us doesn't make him good at what he does now, (re Ray Wilkins) had no previous experience as a DOF, only reserve team coach at spurs

How many weeks did Sir Les have to assemble the squad, do you think? Not that many, I would say. Sir Les is not the problem at all,IMO.

[nasser95]

The defence needs more help imo...until we screen them properly we'll concede.
Problem is we need to change formation and tactics, to stop the goals, it's madness to continue.

Any other formation would offer less screening to the defence (any other logical formation). Honestly its just getting the right personnel in such as Sandro and Luongo or Faurlin in CM.

[nasser95]

Well I'll tell you what it's got to do with our so called DOF, he employed a novice manager, who is at best a youth coach, also he bought and loaned the players that his mate has brought in as someone has already stated Perch ,Angella,Hall,Toszer , as I've said they don't have a clue and the sooner they're gone the better in my view, because the DOF was once a good player for us doesn't make him good at what he does now, (re Ray Wilkins) had no previous experience as a DOF, only reserve team coach at spurs

C'mon man, you cannot be serious. At best a youth coach yet he has more qualifications than most managers. The players that you have named have all proven their quality in the past (bar Hall who is doing that here) and suggesting that they were mistakes shows a lack of understanding. There are 3 things you have to look at when signing a player in the championship and you can look for 2 of these 3 imo to be true if you want to sign the player (besides quality obviously). You have experience in the league which all of these players have, you have youth and potential to grow which Hall and to a degree Angella have and you have versatility which Perch, Toszer and to a degree angella have. These 4 have all been widely praised by their previous clubs and may just have teething issues. It does take time to build a squad. I know its a cliche but Rome wasn't built in a day and QPR won't be either, nor should we expect it to.

[upperloft]

C'mon man, you cannot be serious. At best a youth coach yet he has more qualifications than most managers. The players that you have named have all proven their quality in the past (bar Hall who is doing that here) and suggesting that they were mistakes shows a lack of understanding. There are 3 things you have to look at when signing a player in the championship and you can look for 2 of these 3 imo to be true if you want to sign the player (besides quality obviously). You have experience in the league which all of these players have, you have youth and potential to grow which Hall and to a degree Angella have and you have versatility which Perch, Toszer and to a degree angella have. These 4 have all been widely praised by their previous clubs and may just have teething issues. It does take time to build a squad. I know its a cliche but Rome wasn't built in a day and QPR won't be either, nor should we expect it to.

You can have all the qualifications in the world doesn't make you a good coach.. What he is going through now is nothing like he done in them classrooms or as a youth/reserve coach. I thought perch would be a good signing but has been really poor, was against Angela and Tozer.. We had hall, why he bought Angela in in not sure. As for tozer, another midfielder bought in.. They have all not produced the good..doesn't matter what fans from prev clubs say.

[nasser95]

You can have all the qualifications in the world doesn't make you a good coach.. What he is going through now is nothing like he done in them classrooms or as a youth/reserve coach. I thought perch would be a good signing but has been really poor, was against Angela and Tozer.. We had hall, why he bought Angela in in not sure. As for tozer, another midfielder bought in.. They have all not produced the good..doesn't matter what fans from prev clubs say.

1. Actually, statistically it does. There is a lot of research which proves that having a higher qualification is the most important thing in being a good coach/first team manager. Now, obviously, some of the elements you learn from experience on the job (Making subs at the right time), but in general, it has been proven that qualifications make the coach.
2. We brought angella in because we have no ball playing centre backs and we need someone to take that role. Obviously he doesn't feel confident enough in the central midfield pairing to play it much to them so he does tend to bypass them now, but over time, I have a feeling that his quality will shine through.
3. When you look at who we have in midfield, I can understand the Toszer signing. I mean, we had Sandro who we weren't sure would still be here, Faurlin who is on and off, Henry who we don't need to explain any more, Doughty who is still young, Diakite who is obviously not ready and Luongo who was playing attacking midfield. That left us with one classy passer in Faurlin, so having someone like Toszer brought an extra asset to a midfield lacking class potentially.
4. Players take time to adapt. I'm not sure how long it took for Charlie to start scoring in the league but it wasn't straight away and he is an exceptional case of quality. Look at Fer as well, someone who came in and to many looked average for a long time. We've had it a lot here with players taking time to bed in but I think we have to look at our first 11 at the half way point and see who has done well. Are we also going to ignore the signings who have done well though? Luongo looks a good player, JET seems to always score, Polter looked dangerous when fit, Blackwood (granted he hasn't played yet for the first team) but he seems to be always scoring as well, Mackie is a game changer, Chery oozes quality at times. I see a lot of good in the stuff we've done and yet it seems to be ignored.

[dave58]

C'mon man, you cannot be serious. At best a youth coach yet he has more qualifications than most managers. The players that you have named have all proven their quality in the past (bar Hall who is doing that here) and suggesting that they were mistakes shows a lack of understanding. There are 3 things you have to look at when signing a player in the championship and you can look for 2 of these 3 imo to be true if you want to sign the player (besides quality obviously). You have experience in the league which all of these players have, you have youth and potential to grow which Hall and to a degree Angella have and you have versatility which Perch, Toszer and to a degree angella have. These 4 have all been widely praised by their previous clubs and may just have teething issues. It does take time to build a squad. I know its a cliche but Rome wasn't built in a day and QPR won't be either, nor should we expect it to.

I'm sorry I think your ring misled by his qualifications, it's not about what qualifications he has it about wether he can man manage senior pro footballers and his record says he can't, he may be great telling kids what to do but senior pros are different, and the DOF is to blame for employing someone not up to the job nod bringing in the players,he's had these players long enough to have sorted this out,and his word of we have keep trying different permitting across the back tells me these 2 idiots don't know what they are doing, Tony needs to get rid, as I said youth team coach at best,he has the best squad in this league by far, and won't get us up or even in the play offs, I think come December you'll be on board that he's out of his depth

[upperloft]

1. Actually, statistically it does. There is a lot of research which proves that having a higher qualification is the most important thing in being a good coach/first team manager. Now, obviously, some of the elements you learn from experience on the job (Making subs at the right time), but in general, it has been proven that qualifications make the coach.
2. We brought angella in because we have no ball playing centre backs and we need someone to take that role. Obviously he doesn't feel confident enough in the central midfield pairing to play it much to them so he does tend to bypass them now, but over time, I have a feeling that his quality will shine through.
3. When you look at who we have in midfield, I can understand the Toszer signing. I mean, we had Sandro who we weren't sure would still be here, Faurlin who is on and off, Henry who we don't need to explain any more, Doughty who is still young, Diakite who is obviously not ready and Luongo who was playing attacking midfield. That left us with one classy passer in Faurlin, so having someone like Toszer brought an extra asset to a midfield lacking class potentially.
4. Players take time to adapt. I'm not sure how long it took for Charlie to start scoring in the league but it wasn't straight away and he is an exceptional case of quality. Look at Fer as well, someone who came in and to many looked average for a long time. We've had it a lot here with players taking time to bed in but I think we have to look at our first 11 at the half way point and see who has done well. Are we also going to ignore the signings who have done well though? Luongo looks a good player, JET seems to always score, Polter looked dangerous when fit, Blackwood (granted he hasn't played yet for the first team) but he seems to be always scoring as well, Mackie is a game changer, Chery oozes quality at times. I see a lot of good in the stuff we've done and yet it seems to be ignored.

This is QpR throw your stats in the bin mate.. As for Angela, tozer.. They played for Watford last season, in the championship, how long do we give them?

So do you think Ramsey will be ok? Forget the stats.. In your heart do you think he has what it takes? I don't, he had half season last season and what he has had this year.. Not for me. As for the back four I would go with Onouha and Hall, I think Onouha is a liability but prob out best CB, I believe Kapekwa deserves a go.. Not sure at RB, think perch and konchesky are pants. As for the Mid, Henry is useless but the man with all the badges keeps picking him. Tozer has been shite, would play luango and Doherty.. See how they how they get on.

[nasser95]

This is QpR throw your stats in the bin mate.. As for Angela, tozer.. They played for Watford last season, in the championship, how long do we give them?

So do you think Ramsey will be ok? Forget the stats.. In your heart do you think he has what it takes? I don't, he had half season last season and what he has had this year.. Not for me. As for the back four I would go with Onouha and Hall, I think Onouha is a liability but prob out best CB, I believe Kapekwa deserves a go.. Not sure at RB, think perch and konchesky are pants. As for the Mid, Henry is useless but the man with all the badges keeps picking him. Tozer has been shite, would play luango and Doherty.. See how they how they get on.

Ignoring my stats, do I think he has what it takes? 100% I do. Do I think he can get us up this season? Maybe, but we cannot sack him if he doesn't.
Do I think Angella and Toszer will come good? For sure they will. It isn't just about playing champ footy but about melding with the team in the champ. These guys have one of those down already, they will get the other one with time.
I agree that Onuoha and Hall should start in general but I think Angella is a better passer than both of them so he should go into matches we are expected to dominate. Henry is useless but I keep giving a reason that he starts and everyone ignores it for some reason. Konch has looked better but think Kpekawa should get more game time in the long run this season. The issue with doughty is that he can't pass well enough and I'm sure CR is aware of that and won't risk jeopardising the team for that. Luongo has been tired and needs a break so we gave him one.

[upperloft]

Ignoring my stats, do I think he has what it takes? 100% I do. Do I think he can get us up this season? Maybe, but we cannot sack him if he doesn't.
Do I think Angella and Toszer will come good? For sure they will. It isn't just about playing champ footy but about melding with the team in the champ. These guys have one of those down already, they will get the other one with time.
I agree that Onuoha and Hall should start in general but I think Angella is a better passer than both of them so he should go into matches we are expected to dominate. Henry is useless but I keep giving a reason that he starts and everyone ignores it for some reason. Konch has looked better but think Kpekawa should get more game time in the long run this season. The issue with doughty is that he can't pass well enough and I'm sure CR is aware of that and won't risk jeopardising the team for that. Luongo has been tired and needs a break so we gave him one.

Fair play Nas.. Wish I shared your optimism.

[nasser95]

Fair play Nas.. Wish I shared your optimism.

Haha its understandable not to share it. I guess I just like to look at things from a different perspective. Its good to have different debates on forums about it.

[Ramsey is god]

Well I'll tell you what it's got to do with our so called DOF, he employed a novice manager, who is at best a youth coach, also he bought and loaned the players that his mate has brought in as someone has already stated Perch ,Angella,Hall,Toszer , as I've said they don't have a clue and the sooner they're gone the better in my view, because the DOF was once a good player for us doesn't make him good at what he does now, (re Ray Wilkins) had no previous experience as a DOF, only reserve team coach at spurs

Angella and Toszer were raved about when we got them. Watford seem to rate them both highly. Think once they are given more time performances will improve.

People seem to rave about hall on here so dont get that point

Perch - not been great

Do you expect every single signing we make to work and become a world beater. How much has the 4 you named actually cost us? We didn't have a recognized RB at the club. you want to pick out a couple of bad transfers from a few games. What about the playersd that have come in and done well so far?

and no Les doesnt appoint anyone. Do you think he pays Ramsey his salary? use your brain please

[QPR1234]

Watch our games we defend with 7 when without the ball. the two holding mids are too slow to cover ground to accomplish this which makes it even harder to stop conceeding.

Ramsey needs to get either the wingers to track back or tell the number 10 to be a box-to-box midfielder. It's clear as day why we're being torn apart defensively. I dont always blame the defence, because they are always exposed. That said Ned, Perch and Angella could have done better.