Sir Les, TF and rest of the Board

[Geng]

So as you see it Geng, when anything goes wrong (even if it's not directly his fault) then it's TFs fault as the buck stops with him as he holds ultimate responsibility, but then when we have a fantastic summer he doesn't deserve any of the credit because all of a sudden he has no involvement?

I get some of the criticism previously aimed at Tf , I really do, but cmon you have the also give the man some credit where it's due.

There's a chronology here though! If we'd had a terrible summer in the transfer market (jury's out, but it's looking v positive) then we shouldn't blame TF for that either. It's latgely out of his hands.

The fact that we were a shambles when he was hands on and haven't been now that he's hands off is surely a good moment to consider just how inept and counterproductive the man is. Rather than blindly congratulating him for, er, stepping down

[Geng]

And it's not 'all of a sudden'. Dave Mc's piece on changes behind the scenes is four months old! Long before any of us had heard of Chery and co

[Snaxo]

There's a chronology here though! If we'd had a terrible summer in the transfer market (jury's out, but it's looking v positive) then we shouldn't blame TF for that either. It's latgely out of his hands.

The fact that we were a shambles when he was hands on and haven't been now that he's hands off is surely a good moment to consider just how inept and counterproductive the man is. Rather than blindly congratulating him for, er, stepping down

it's largely out of his hands? And you believe that why?....because Dave Mc suggested it? He may be sharing the load a lot more now, and taken a step back, but I do not believe he is still not pretty actively involved.

[brightonr]

Well congratulate him on not actively effing things up for once. But we should be praising him for what he isn't doing, not for actively being a positive part of this.

It's out of his hands. Read David McIntyre's pieces on this over the summer - the money* can't stand his terrible decision-making any longer.

*for the gazillionth time, he's not spending his own personal money. He's racked up £200m debts on our behalf when his own net worth is only around £300m. He doesn't 'own the club' and never did. He's just a mouthy frontman and terrible chairman.

Of course it's his money, along with that of his co-owners. What a stupid thing to say.

QPR didn't have any money to spend, so as they have guaranteed it, it's safe to say it's theirs.

I've just logged on to my mobile banking app and can confirm that they haven't used any of mine.

[Geng]

Of course it's his money, along with that of his co-owners. What a stupid thing to say.

QPR didn't have any money to spend, so as they have guaranteed it, it's safe to say it's theirs.

I've just logged on to my mobile banking app and can confirm that they haven't used any of mine.

So you think TF had £500m [that's total worth, so mostly assets like shares, property etc not 500m cash in the bank] and then decided to spend £200m of that on QPR? Right.

[Geng]

it's largely out of his hands? And you believe that why?....because Dave Mc suggested it? He may be sharing the load a lot more now, and taken a step back, but I do not believe he is still not pretty actively involved.

Believe what you want. I'm going to go with the various news stories saying TF was taking a back seat and Rueben Gnag– is running the show. Dave Mc clearly knows more about what's going on inside the club than pretty much anyone so I'd say he's worth listening to in this case.

Or you could just think about it logically.

Is it more likely that TF suddenly decides to do a total about-turn, hands-off, entire rethink of his strategy and modus operandi, to turn the volume down, stop tweeting needy bs every five minutes, while still retaining the same degree of control he had before....

...or that he's simply less involved these past five or so months?

Given the big changes in how the club seems to be operating, I really think it's far more likely the personnel making the decisions has changed, rather than TF having suddenly had a total rethink of how to run our club.

[CamberleyHoop]

The buck used to stop with him. Now, as he isn't running things anymore, it doesn't. Not hard!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3124497/QPR-continue-Championship-rebuild-Ruben-Gnanalingam-named-club-s-chairman-alongside-Tony-Fernandes.html

David Mc back in May:



https://davidmcintyre.wordpress.com/

The Daily Mail article you cited... "QPR have named Ruben Gnanalingam as co-chairman to work alongside Tony Fernandes. Gnanalingam is a member of Tune Group, which owns 66 per cent of the London club."

So who co-founded Tune Group (that owns 66% of QPR)...? Tony Fernandes. He is a successful business man and as a successful business man what does he do? He brings someone in to help him and someone he knows and trusts.

He has made mistakes as others have mentioned, but lessons have been learned. Whether he is as active as he was previously is neither here nor there. He is responsible (perhaps only jointly) for where the club is right now and deserves some credit at least. I suspect he would still be responsible if we were at the other end of the table right now?

[1QPRDK]

Lay off it. Geng still blames TF for Adel getting fat and thus ruining the career of a world class footballer

[brightonr]

So you think TF had £500m [that's total worth, so mostly assets like shares, property etc not 500m cash in the bank] and then decided to spend £200m of that on QPR? Right.

No, that is not what I said at all.

I said that it was his AND his co-owners. Those from Tune Group own about 66% with the Mittal family about 33%. TF isn't even the wealthiest of the former and none are anywhere close to Mittal.

If they haven't spent it, then how have they racked up debt?

And to whom are we in debt? Oh yes, the owners.

And how are they getting that money back anytime soon? Well, they're not, are they? Not until they are in a position to repay themselves. Or write it off as they did with the £60m recently.

If your point is that they have royally messed up during the last few years, you won't be getting any argument from me. But that doesn't alter the fact that between them they have lost an awful lot of money. Their money.

[Ginger Ninja]

Lay off it. Geng still blames TF for Adel getting fat and thus ruining the career of a world class footballer

Oh blimey!! I remember Geng now!! Absolutely loved the pants off Adel when it was clear and plain to see he had become fat, useless and disinterested!

[West Acton]

Geng you come across as a bit of a prat

[dsqpr]

There's a chronology here though! If we'd had a terrible summer in the transfer market (jury's out, but it's looking v positive) then we shouldn't blame TF for that either. It's latgely out of his hands.

The fact that we were a shambles when he was hands on and haven't been now that he's hands off is surely a good moment to consider just how inept and counterproductive the man is. Rather than blindly congratulating him for, er, stepping down

Seems as though Sir Les has been the key man this transfer window. Who hired him, by the way?

IMHO, TF deserves criticism for the shambles of the past number of years and the huge debt. But he also deserves plaudits for what I think is a very positive change in direction for the club. And an apparently successful transfer window!

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

And people were questioning what Les brang. Well now you've seen it. A proper football man behind the scenes, not like that clown Beard who didn't have a scooby about players values, or worth. Well done Rangers.

[qpr4life]

So as you see it Geng, when anything goes wrong (even if it's not directly his fault) then it's TFs fault as the buck stops with him as he holds ultimate responsibility, but then when we have a fantastic summer he doesn't deserve any of the credit because all of a sudden he has no involvement?

I get some of the criticism previously aimed at Tf , I really do, but cmon you have the also give the man some credit where it's due.

Spot on Matty... Some people find it hard to do that, especially those they are not fond off.

At the end of the day Geng, when something bad happens again it will all be down to him. Personally think Rubeun needs some credit too, Co-Chairman and also making decisions.

By the way... did you forgot who signed / brought in Sir Les?

[Ramsey is god]

Stop praising TF, he's nothing to do with this. Others are running transfers now, thank god.

The fact we haven't heard much from him this summer is a good thing.

If you want to take that stance, that is fine, but then people want to blame him for Sandro and other aspects that he would not have been involved in. Have to be straight and fair either way.