Personally Cannot See How Flavio Can Be Removed

[qblockpete]

Of course at the moment its pure speculation and your right, we don't know what will happen. The teams that went into administration are different.

Weighing everything up, think it might force Flavio to take a lesser shareholding, but cannot see how the football legaue can remove him. We shall see, tomorrow will be interesting.

[Tarbie]

I'm not sure if I agree with you on this one. Flavio has been banned from F1 for life because he cheated.

This CLEARLY makes him in breach of the FA's "Fit & Proper Persons" legislation and as such he must sell his shares and step down!

[davman]

Sorry, I thought Briatore was Banned form taken any part in any FIA sanctioned event, which in any language is a ban.

Robbo is right; too many amateur lawyers around (me included), but not sanctioning events with any association with Briatore is NOT the same as banning Briatore.

Also, the FIA is a governing body of motor sport, but is not, as far as I am aware responsible for ALL Motor Sport per se, so he could start his own 'circus' thereby participating in Motor Sport, which means he is not banned.

So, although I am not a Lawyer (!), there is enough doubt in the wording to provide a pretty robust challenge of any interpretation amounting to he's been 'banned'.

Tomorrow should be fun, but I doubt that it'll be the end of things...

[Scarlet pimple]

From what i have read, flav can still be involved if he has under 29% of shares nomatter what the league do to him.

[Sam-QPR]

From what i have read, flav can still be involved if he has under 29% of shares nomatter what the league do to him.

yes but 29% of the shares means he would no longer call the shots

[Scarlet pimple]

yes but 29% of the shares means he would no longer call the shots

Thats very true Sam, but i would imagin if he wanted to push something through at board level, he has his m8 Bernie with ?? % of shares to push things thru.

[Hogan]

Thats very true Sam, but i would imagin if he wanted to push something through at board level, he has his m8 Bernie with ?? % of shares to push things thru.

Which is why no investor would take less than a majority big enough to have overall control.

Also, would FB be considered a liability in terms of the clubs image and future sponsorship deals?

[kingo]

pete u said in an earlier post d day is thrusday but according to the guardian the meeting is tommorow

I thought that but worked out that the story was from an early preview of the Wednesday news, so still Thursday.

[paulmason]

I knew I was right, the weasel has been banned from any FIA sanctioned event, which means HE HAS BEEN BANNED. 2nd paragraph confirms this.

The statement read: 'The World Motor Sport Council declares that, for an unlimited period, the FIA does not intend to sanction any International Event, Championship, Cup, Trophy, Challenge or Series involving Mr Briatore in any capacity whatsoever, or grant any license to any Team or other entity engaging Mr Briatore in any capacity whatsoever.

'It also hereby instructs all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr Briatore access to any areas under the FIA’s jurisdiction. Furthermore, it does not intend to renew any Superlicence granted to any driver who is associated (through a management contract or otherwise) with Mr Briatore, or any entity or individual associated with Mr Briatore.


'In determining that such instructions should be applicable for an unlimited period, the World Motor Sport Council has had regard not only to the severity of the breach in which Mr Briatore was complicit but also to his actions in continuing to deny his participation in the breach despite all the evidence.'

[leewads]

from QPR. The football league will surely have to delay any banning until they know the position of Briatore on him appealing against the FIA lifetime ban and I'm guessing they can only propose to monitor the situation.

They may recommend what action might be taken by the club, but i cannot see them having the power to dismiss him from the football club, when its entirely a different sport and legally they could be making a big mistake.

Pete the rules are clear banned from any sporting body including FIA you will fail the means test.

Simples......

[leewads]

Robbo is right; too many amateur lawyers around (me included), but not sanctioning events with any association with Briatore is NOT the same as banning Briatore.

Also, the FIA is a governing body of motor sport, but is not, as far as I am aware responsible for ALL Motor Sport per se, so he could start his own 'circus' thereby participating in Motor Sport, which means he is not banned.

So, although I am not a Lawyer (!), there is enough doubt in the wording to provide a pretty robust challenge of any interpretation amounting to he's been 'banned'.

Tomorrow should be fun, but I doubt that it'll be the end of things...

At the end of the day can Flavio take any part in F1.........No

So its a BAN..............

[leewads]

I knew I was right, the weasel has been banned from any FIA sanctioned event, which means HE HAS BEEN BANNED. 2nd paragraph confirms this.

The statement read: 'The World Motor Sport Council declares that, for an unlimited period, the FIA does not intend to sanction any International Event, Championship, Cup, Trophy, Challenge or Series involving Mr Briatore in any capacity whatsoever, or grant any license to any Team or other entity engaging Mr Briatore in any capacity whatsoever.

'It also hereby instructs all officials present at FIA-sanctioned events not to permit Mr Briatore access to any areas under the FIA’s jurisdiction. Furthermore, it does not intend to renew any Superlicence granted to any driver who is associated (through a management contract or otherwise) with Mr Briatore, or any entity or individual associated with Mr Briatore.


'In determining that such instructions should be applicable for an unlimited period, the World Motor Sport Council has had regard not only to the severity of the breach in which Mr Briatore was complicit but also to his actions in continuing to deny his participation in the breach despite all the evidence.'

Paul spot on the guy has been BANNED.

[paulmason]

Paul spot on the guy has been BANNED.

Lee, it is not rocket science, its a simple matter of reading what was said and not glossing over the key points, as if they were not said at all. I cant understand why people would say he was not banned, when he clearly was.

[davman]

At the end of the day can Flavio take any part in F1.........No

So its a BAN..............

Ah, but can Flavio take part in Motor Sport? YES
So, is he banned from Motor Sport? NO

Point is, it is open to interpretation and therefore not as clear cut as you make out. The bottom line is that it is this lack of clarity that Lawyers thrive on, so the only winners will be them. Again.

Personally I think that, in the spirit of what the legislation is trying to achieve and in the spirit of what the FIA's statement is trying to do, Flabio is bang to rights, but you have to admit that there is that element of doubt.

Amazed that paulmason thinks that this is not rocket science thus implying its clearcut - if he thinks that then unless he's a lawyer, he's wasting his life!:byebye:

(Still think Flab will be removed tomorrow and would have a case to appeal if he could be bothered, which is another HUGE question. Interesting times.

[shania]

What will happen if The Mittals dissappear with him?:red_heart::red_heart::red_heart::tired: