What do we need

[Shepherds Mush]

Who are those 5 players? Really? Are you legitimately a fan? Mackie, JET, Luongo, Gladwin, Polter...

You also make a stupid point about polter being the only goalscorer, we have mackie, JET, Luongo can score, Gladwin has a decent goalscoring record, Grego-Cox is at the club and FYI, Blackwood scored 5 and no matter how poor the competition in that match, to score 5 in a match needs an eye for goal.

Then you say a lot of lower league players who haven't won promotion before. Lets list the players in the squad who have enough game time in those seasons of promotion (not including your disappearing 3): Green, Hill, Traore, Yun, Onuoha, Faurlin, Henry, Hoilett, JET (Who has been involved in 2 promotions, one to the prem with blackpool), Mackie.
Lets compare that to the team you say had many players with promotion experience (Looking only at the squad at the end of the first transfer window that season): Green, Simpson, Dunne, Hill, Phillips, SWP, Barton, Henry, Faurlin, O'neil, Andrew Johnson, Kevin Doyle and Bobby Zamora.
Thats 3 players difference and apparently this team has not got enough experience in promotion (also, bear in mind I am including Faurlin in the previous list despite him missing out on 90% of the season).
So you can try to act smart by stating stuff that seems like it is true, but do some research before you post some of the drivel I have seen you post.

stanistheman totally schooled !

[Ranger]

we need defenders or at least a defensive coach gerry francis would be great but me thinks that is just wishful thinking but he would be a good caretaker if CR screws up. The season we were champion s we had a solid defence cant remember how many we shipped but it was not a lot and we won a lot of games one nil. If they dont score we get at least a point basics right first and I think that on here some cant see how bad our defence was !

[QPRDave]

Who are those 5 players? Really? Are you legitimately a fan? Mackie, JET, Luongo, Gladwin, Polter...

You also make a stupid point about polter being the only goalscorer, we have mackie, JET, Luongo can score, Gladwin has a decent goalscoring record, Grego-Cox is at the club and FYI, Blackwood scored 5 and no matter how poor the competition in that match, to score 5 in a match needs an eye for goal.

Then you say a lot of lower league players who haven't won promotion before. Lets list the players in the squad who have enough game time in those seasons of promotion (not including your disappearing 3): Green, Hill, Traore, Yun, Onuoha, Faurlin, Henry, Hoilett, JET (Who has been involved in 2 promotions, one to the prem with blackpool), Mackie.
Lets compare that to the team you say had many players with promotion experience (Looking only at the squad at the end of the first transfer window that season): Green, Simpson, Dunne, Hill, Phillips, SWP, Barton, Henry, Faurlin, O'neil, Andrew Johnson, Kevin Doyle and Bobby Zamora.
Thats 3 players difference and apparently this team has not got enough experience in promotion (also, bear in mind I am including Faurlin in the previous list despite him missing out on 90% of the season).
So you can try to act smart by stating stuff that seems like it is true, but do some research before you post some of the drivel I have seen you post.

Don't be so cheeky ....arrogant ...f.......ellow

[nasser95]

Don't be so cheeky ....arrogant ...f.......ellow

Nowt cheeky about it mate. Everything there is fact. Simple as.

[kron-1664]

Anyone know of a specialist bookies where i could get a bet on us not winning a single game all season guys?

i will give you 1000 to 1

[stanistheman]

Who are those 5 players? Really? Are you legitimately a fan? Mackie, JET, Luongo, Gladwin, Polter...

You also make a stupid point about polter being the only goalscorer, we have mackie, JET, Luongo can score, Gladwin has a decent goalscoring record, Grego-Cox is at the club and FYI, Blackwood scored 5 and no matter how poor the competition in that match, to score 5 in a match needs an eye for goal.

Then you say a lot of lower league players who haven't won promotion before. Lets list the players in the squad who have enough game time in those seasons of promotion (not including your disappearing 3): Green, Hill, Traore, Yun, Onuoha, Faurlin, Henry, Hoilett, JET (Who has been involved in 2 promotions, one to the prem with blackpool), Mackie.
Lets compare that to the team you say had many players with promotion experience (Looking only at the squad at the end of the first transfer window that season): Green, Simpson, Dunne, Hill, Phillips, SWP, Barton, Henry, Faurlin, O'neil, Andrew Johnson, Kevin Doyle and Bobby Zamora.
Thats 3 players difference and apparently this team has not got enough experience in promotion (also, bear in mind I am including Faurlin in the previous list despite him missing out on 90% of the season).
So you can try to act smart by stating stuff that seems like it is true, but do some research before you post some of the drivel I have seen you post.

Now i am not going to go through all the crap you have posted but here are some for you.
mackie has scored 4 in 45 for Forest and 5 in 32 for Reading hardly impressive.
JET managed to score in League 1 but in the Championship 8 in 71 for Ipswich. 2 in 14 for Cardiff 5 in 14 and 1 in 11 for Blackpool. Again not promising. As for his promotion with Blackpool using your OWN comment earlier less than 15 apps doesnt make him a 1st teamer.
Luongo 0 in 9 for Ipswich 15 in 90 at Swindin in League 1 but as he is more a defensive midfielder I wont expect many from him.
gladwin has yet to play at Championship level so it would be unfair to comment on him .

Peopke on here often posted that Redkrapp signed over 30s but it was those same players who along with Austin and Phillips won promotion and in doing so, gave the promotion experience to the likes of OnuohaYun Traore and Hoilett.Now you and others are all for signing youth and lower league players thinking they will put in a promotion challenge
As for drivel being posted at least mine isnt bury my head in the sand positive drivel like the crap you often put on here last season about believing Ramsey would keep QPR up when all the signs and results clearly showed he wouldnt.or some you are posting now.

[nasser95]

Now i am not going to go through all the crap you have posted but here are some for you.
mackie has scored 4 in 45 for Forest and 5 in 32 for Reading hardly impressive.
JET managed to score in League 1 but in the Championship 8 in 71 for Ipswich. 2 in 14 for Cardiff 5 in 14 and 1 in 11 for Blackpool. Again not promising. As for his promotion with Blackpool using your OWN comment earlier less than 15 apps doesnt make him a 1st teamer.
Luongo 0 in 9 for Ipswich 15 in 90 at Swindin in League 1 but as he is more a defensive midfielder I wont expect many from him.
gladwin has yet to play at Championship level so it would be unfair to comment on him .

Peopke on here often posted that Redkrapp signed over 30s but it was those same players who along with Austin and Phillips won promotion and in doing so, gave the promotion experience to the likes of OnuohaYun Traore and Hoilett.Now you and others are all for signing youth and lower league players thinking they will put in a promotion challenge
As for drivel being posted at least mine isnt bury my head in the sand positive drivel like the crap you often put on here last season about believing Ramsey would keep QPR up when all the signs and results clearly showed he wouldnt.or some you are posting now.

Mackie - as we have seen here - is a capable goalscorer and loves this club so expect goals. JET has been solid in the lower division and he would be in the list of players with promotions with or without Blackpool. He is also coming in as someone who has the potential to be a big goalscoring asset for us, potential you cannot write off. Luongo has only played 9 matches in the championship and in his last season at swindon, he got 6 goals and 6 assists so he brings solid attacking play. Gladwin has 8 goals and 8 assists in 34 last season.

Yes, the over 30's helped of course but remember we still have a few of them at the club and moving forward from here, we have to develop a youth policy as opposed to a retirement home

[WeAreQPR12]

Agree with your post Nasser but for me Mackie should come on against tired legs. I would be disappointed to see him starting.

[nasser95]

Agree with your post Nasser but for me Mackie should come on against tired legs. I would be disappointed to see him starting.

Obviously I agree but he still poses a goalscoring threat is my point. I haven't felt that anyone can score in our recent teams other than Charlie or Fer.

[Ranger]

The only chance of having a promotion run will be if we keep CA LF MP this with a improved defence other than that we will be mid table with tje present new comers.

[nasser95]

The only chance of having a promotion run will be if we keep CA LF MP this with a improved defence other than that we will be mid table with tje present new comers.

Again, you are overlooking the fact that this squad is better than the one we actually got promotion with. I'm even willing to do a side by side comparison of the teams:

GK: Rob Green/Brian Murphy; Rob Green/Alex McCarthy - Think its clear that we have an improved goalkeeping setup and even selling one of them, the replacements available that are cheap are solid improvements on Murphy.
RB: Danny Simpson/Aaron Hughes; ?/Darnell Furlong - I think it is safe to say that in terms of the squad, We will improve with any half decent right back we have been linked with.
LB: BAE/Clint Hill; Yun Suk Young/Jack Robinson - This is a no brainer. BAE had a good first half of the season but was awful in the second half. Yun and Robinson will do well in this league and push on whenever we go up.
CB: Richard Dunne/Clint Hill/Nedum Onuoha; Steven Caulker/Nedum Onuoha/Clint Hill - Many will know that I feel Caulker and Onuoha will walk this league together if they can get their focus up and for those who wonder why Clint is on the CB's of a couple of years ago, he played 29 matches starting at cb, onuoha only played 23 (Dunne played 44).
RM: Gary O'neil/Matt Phillips; Matt Phillips (Or ?)/Jamie Mackie - Reason Gary O'neil is ahead of Matt Phillips is because O'neil played more than phillips (11 games to 10). I'd call Mackie a better O'neil so even with anyone replacing Phillips, we will have a better first choice than we did that season.
LM: Hoilett/Kranjcar/Traore; JET/Hoilett/Gladwin - Think that we have to watch JET but reckon he will be a solid improvement on hoilett that season (Probably his best for us), As for depth, we still have Traore if we need a 4th choice so squad depth in this position has improved.
CM: Joey Barton/Tom Carroll/Karl Henry/Gary O'neil/Jermaine Jenas; Ale Faurlin/Mass Luongo/Karl Henry/Samba Diakite/Sandro (?) Think there is a lot more to our midfield now in terms of depth. Haven't even included Doughty or Comley who may get occasionally involved. Thought Barton and Carroll were a very solid midfield and grew to like Karl, but I'd take a fit faurlin over Barton any day and Mass Loungo (from what I've seen in league one and asian cup) looks to be a really talented player with a bit more forward flair than Carroll. Samba could be the wildcard as well so who knows.
AM: Ravel/Kranjcar; Leroy Fer (?)/? - Probably the main position with right back to work on, we really could do with someone here unless JET takes this role. I've also seen Gladwin and Luongo play in this position so anything is possible.
ST: Austin/Johnson/Zamora/Doyle/Keane; Austin (?)/RGC/JET/Mackie/Polter - Until he's gone, Austin is a QPR player and I will treat him as such but even without him, this squad has goals in it from attack. Maybe get one more pacy player in but that is all we need and that is only if Austin leaves. Btw, Johnson Started more games than Zamora, hence being above him in the list.

So IMO, this current squad is an improvement to the old squad, with only a CAM and a RB being the places that we should really improve.

[Kevin Mcleod]

The only chance of having a promotion run will be if we keep CA LF MP this with a improved defence other than that we will be mid table with tje present new comers.

Keep all them stars and improve the defence to be a contender? Come on, thats a bit harsh aint it.

[maidstone_hoop]

If we kept them 3 then we shouldn't just be a contender we should be champions. There would be. No other tea, who could field a better 11.

What it will come down to is of we lose these players can we replace them with championship quality players who will make us competitive at the top. Lose them 3 and don't replace them with a certain standard of quality then I think we will be a mid table team to possibly 10th.

Get the right sort in and a bit more cover defensively then I think we can be top 6 possibly automatic. Our defence is outstanding at cb and will argue that until I'm blue in the face. People writing caulker and ned off at this level are just crazy. Best cb pairing in the league with the best keeper behind them. That goes along way at this level. If we can score goals we will be very successful.

[stanistheman]

Obviously I agree but he still poses a goalscoring threat is my point. I haven't felt that anyone can score in our recent teams other than Charlie or Fer.

9 goals in 77 games is not much of a goalscoring threat now is it?

[nasser95]

9 goals in 77 games is not much of a goalscoring threat now is it?

This is the time where I say that the numbers aren't everything and playing in a consistent team with good players around you can make you look better. Mackie brings the drive, to the team and get him into enough goalscoring positions, you should expect goals. At reading he lacked any real quality around him and the same for his time at nottingham forest. Here he has players who are going to create.