Ramsey reckons Brentford's model is way forward.....

[stanistheman]

Jesus I'm a Ramsey fan but you don't say we should be modelling ourselves on Brentford because they had one good season.
Could you imagine wenger saying that on Spurs or vice versa or Liverpool in Utd. That was a amateurish comment.

From an amateurish manager.

[dsqpr]

There was a thread on this on LFW a few weeks back with a VERY interesting link. There is an extremely sophisticated statistical model underlying how Brentford identify talent - a model that has been used successfully in Europe. If we just do it by the seat of our pants it is very likely that they will be much better at it than we are.

Here is the LFW thread: http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footbal.../brentford/#16


One of the key people is Rasmus Ankersen. Here is an article on the BBC website:
Ankersen is chairman of FC Midtjylland, the Danish Superliga side who are also owned by Benham.
The Herning-based club are on the verge of winning the Danish title following a 2-0 win over FC Copenhagen on Sunday.
Giles works for Benham's company, Smartodds, which provides statistical sports modelling services, and has been its head of quantitative sports research since 2010.
"The director of football role is a big one and splitting it means we can add the expertise of both of them to our management structure," Benham told the club website.
"I have worked with Rasmus at FC Midtyjlland and many of the methods we will be using at Brentford are already showing much promise there.
"Phil is someone who has excellent football knowledge and the analytical skills to assess players, tactics and teams in the way we want to."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32781368

There is another link in the LFW thread but in fairness to them I'll make you go there to get it if you are interested. Here is a taster:
It was enough to make those football pundits who revel in the old days and old ways collectively choke on their beans and sausages. Brentford would, a club statement announced, be parting company with their respected manager Mark Warburton, switching to a continental structure with a head coach and sporting director, and using mathematical modelling to help recruit players. The response of one former professional, Micky Quinn, was not untypical. “They want a head coach and mathematical modelling … Ha, ha, good luck with that.”

What Quinn may not realise is that the blueprint for Brentford’s future is already being stress-tested 800 miles away at FC Midtjylland, who lead Denmark’s Superliga by six points and are on course for the first trophy in their history. And who is the majority shareholder in Midtjylland? Matthew Benham, the former hedge fund manager and professional gambler who also owns Brentford.

[vanhoop]

their set up is for the bigger boys like us to cherry pick.learn from Brentford??

[qprted]

yes

yes a bit like chelsea cherry picked loic remy buying him for ten million then selling him for 15 million

[Hove Ranger]

The mathematical model has been used in US sports for years particularly baseball. (Moneyball)

[SteveQPR1975]

I don't care of give a #### what Ramsey says I'm not renewing

[Ginger Ninja]

I don't care of give a #### what Ramsey says I'm not renewing

I'm sure many, including Ramsey, will be absolutely gutted.

[vanhoop]

I don't care of give a #### what Ramsey says I'm not renewing

Get a hold of yaself ya ruddy upstart.you know it's in ya veins xx

[stainrodisalegend]

There was a thread on this on LFW a few weeks back with a VERY interesting link. There is an extremely sophisticated statistical model underlying how Brentford identify talent - a model that has been used successfully in Europe. If we just do it by the seat of our pants it is very likely that they will be much better at it than we are.

Here is the LFW thread: http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/footbal.../brentford/#16


One of the key people is Rasmus Ankersen. Here is an article on the BBC website:
Ankersen is chairman of FC Midtjylland, the Danish Superliga side who are also owned by Benham.
The Herning-based club are on the verge of winning the Danish title following a 2-0 win over FC Copenhagen on Sunday.
Giles works for Benham's company, Smartodds, which provides statistical sports modelling services, and has been its head of quantitative sports research since 2010.
"The director of football role is a big one and splitting it means we can add the expertise of both of them to our management structure," Benham told the club website.
"I have worked with Rasmus at FC Midtyjlland and many of the methods we will be using at Brentford are already showing much promise there.
"Phil is someone who has excellent football knowledge and the analytical skills to assess players, tactics and teams in the way we want to."

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/32781368

There is another link in the LFW thread but in fairness to them I'll make you go there to get it if you are interested. Here is a taster:
It was enough to make those football pundits who revel in the old days and old ways collectively choke on their beans and sausages. Brentford would, a club statement announced, be parting company with their respected manager Mark Warburton, switching to a continental structure with a head coach and sporting director, and using mathematical modelling to help recruit players. The response of one former professional, Micky Quinn, was not untypical. “They want a head coach and mathematical modelling … Ha, ha, good luck with that.”

What Quinn may not realise is that the blueprint for Brentford’s future is already being stress-tested 800 miles away at FC Midtjylland, who lead Denmark’s Superliga by six points and are on course for the first trophy in their history. And who is the majority shareholder in Midtjylland? Matthew Benham, the former hedge fund manager and professional gambler who also owns Brentford.

Interesting. English football still stuck in the old 'arry Redknapp style is so far behind in many ways. In a sport where tiny differences can be so decisive and so much money is involved it is amazing how closed most English clubs are to these kind of new ideas.

[QprQpr]

From an amateurish manager.

Actually his a youth team coach and a joke manager.

Speaks volumes that he wants to tax another teams methods, because let's be honest he hasn't got a ####ing clue himself !

[Shepherds Mush]

I wouldnt read too much into the headline of this article...

All he is getting at is picking players from the lower league's and improving them, which is the right way. Its not only Brentford that have done this, its just GWL linking the two clubs for their paper.

We are in a better position to do it then Brentford are. We can attract better younger players then they can.

[loftustoad]

As an employee of Smartodds, I can't really afford to tell you much, but having seen some the data the company has built up over the last few years. QPR are not in a position to compete whatsoever on this side of things.

[dsqpr]

I wouldnt read too much into the headline of this article...

All he is getting at is picking players from the lower league's and improving them, which is the right way. Its not only Brentford that have done this, its just GWL linking the two clubs for their paper.

We are in a better position to do it then Brentford are. We can attract better younger players then they can.

The key to making this work is in deciding which players to pick.

Brentford are using a statistical model which has proven so successful in Denmark that it has lifted FC Midtjylland to their first ever Danish title. And it has also proved successful at Brentford.

If we use the old English "'ee looks like a good 'un 'arry" method it is very unlikely that we will be able to match Brentford's success at doing this.

[winalotto]

I think its meant as a finical statement the way Brentford has worked over the last 3 seasons , they haven't gone out and spent big , which they could have as they have very wealthy owners behind them, and they have used there scouts to bring in young players and trusted the management team to produce these youngster Rosler / Warburton ,that's how this club wants to start running its football operation. Not picking players from any sort of statistics base or whatever they are doing as i totally disagree with that, good old fashioned scouting players with your eyes is still the very best way to pick players, stats like you tube clips can be made to show anything you like.