The nucleus for success

[Brian Wilson]

No one suggested building a team around them... More that we don't write them off and try and slowly bring the, into the first team

The op said "here are the six players I'd start building the future around" and 2 of em are youth players. I'm happy to give em a chance but we cant risk starting the season thinking our youth players are the answer.

[bakes8]

The op said "here are the six players I'd start building the future around" and 2 of em are youth players. I'm happy to give em a chance but we cant risk starting the season thinking our youth players are the answer.

The 5 players we should build a squad around are McCarthy, Caulker, Fer, Phillips and Austin but would be surprised if any more than 2 of them start next season for us.

[maidstone_hoop]

The 5 players we should build a squad around are McCarthy, Caulker, Fer, Phillips and Austin but would be surprised if any more than 2 of them start next season for us.

Agree mate - I don't think we can hang onto Charlie unless we really stick to our guns with the 20 mill valuation.

As for Fer, caulker, McCarthy and Phillips if the club have ambitions to come straight back up or to have a right good go we should do all we can to keep them. Good ages and all have 2 plus years left on their contract. I also think yun can hold his own At championship level and Robinson looked very good for Huddersfield on loan this year until he got injured.

If we kept them four, inter grated some of our youth players like doughty, furlong ect to squad status and kept maybe Henry and dunne on as squad players for a bit of experience we would have a decent base to build on.

[dsqpr]

Assuming we get a big price for Charlie, Green finishes his career as a starter/sub for another PL club, and we only retain Dunne or Hill as both a mentor and player for a final season, here are the six players I'd start building the future around:

Matty Phillips -- loads of potential, fast, a little more touch/finish and he'll be an all-star in Championship with continued PL potential
Leroy Fer -- in an injury-shortened season, showed flashes of highlight reel scoring power
Nedum Onouha -- emerging leader/anchor on the back line; speed and grit; build new defense around him
Darnell Furlong -- a young and emerging talent; with coaching nothing but upside; great attitude/leadership skills
Reece Greco-Cox -- there's something about this speedy dude that's going to light up our fan base, our fortunes on the field
Alex McCarthy -- time to develop the next great goalkeeper; has much potential

As for the rest:
SWP, Adel, Krancjar, Hoilett, Traore, et alia -- we've had enough; no more; dump those with contracts at almost any cost
Petrasso and Doughty -- potential that needs bit more time to develop
Karl Henry -- keep around based on the right terms
Joey Barton -- a tough call; love his blood and guts efforts, but the rest of Joey comes at a price
Yun -- think he needs to be coached up a bit more, but think he's on a good track to improve his game
Bobby Z -- give him a hero's send off

Nice post.

1. I've not given up on Charlie yet. Probably gone but not definitely. We should stick to our guns and only sell if we are offered top dollar.
2. We are paying Onouha too much. Good player but we need to start considering value - and at 60k per week he does not provide it.
3. Fer has already shown that he just jumps ship when his club is relegated. I think he will be gone. Can we afford him in the Championship anyway?
4. I'd put Doughty in my nucleus. Certainly ahead of Furlong.
5. I'd also include Yun. Slaughtered for his performance at Man City but he was played out of position. Has bags of potential, IMHO.

6. Barton has to go. Has been paid FAR too much and is a disruptive influence that we need to clear out. Thank goodness his contract is up.
7. SWP - good riddance. He has not even tried to earn his keep. Just going through the motions on the pitch and really letting himself and everybody else down.
8. Bobby Z - well said!

[nasser95]

Nice post.

1. I've not given up on Charlie yet. Probably gone but not definitely. We should stick to our guns and only sell if we are offered top dollar.
2. We are paying Onouha too much. Good player but we need to start considering value - and at 60k per week he does not provide it.
3. Fer has already shown that he just jumps ship when his club is relegated. I think he will be gone. Can we afford him in the Championship anyway?
4. I'd put Doughty in my nucleus. Certainly ahead of Furlong.
5. I'd also include Yun. Slaughtered for his performance at Man City but he was played out of position. Has bags of potential, IMHO.

6. Barton has to go. Has been paid FAR too much and is a disruptive influence that we need to clear out. Thank goodness his contract is up.
7. SWP - good riddance. He has not even tried to earn his keep. Just going through the motions on the pitch and really letting himself and everybody else down.
8. Bobby Z - well said!

Where did you come up with that figure for Onuoha? Also, there is a reason furlong is the captain of the youth team and doughty isn't and never has been. Furlong has to be a bigger part of our future than doughty. Also, I've seen plenty of interviews where youngsters say that Joey has helped guide them and is giving a really good impression on and off the pitch so I don't think he is a disruptive influence but I wouldn't keep him on the money he has now, if his wages were cut then maybe.

[dave58]

wouldn't worry about Austin,Fer, M Phillips all will be gone by the start of the new season!

[Ginger Ninja]

Austin, Fer, Onuoha, Caulker (thank god) and Phillips will all be gone.

[maidstone_hoop]

Austin, Fer, Onuoha, Caulker (thank god) and Phillips will all be gone.

Would genuinely be surprised if all 5 are gone. Would be awful business by the club and would leave us with a huge rebuolding job.

With caulker, Fer and Phillips all having 2 plus years left on their contract and believed to have pay cuts in place due to relegation there is no need to sell.

Add the fact that this ffp fine won't be anywhere near as big as people are suggesting why would we sell all 5.

Keep Phillips, Fer and caulker and a few shrewd signings and we could be back in the prem this time next year.

[bakes8]

Would genuinely be surprised if all 5 are gone. Would be awful business by the club and would leave us with a huge rebuolding job.

With caulker, Fer and Phillips all having 2 plus years left on their contract and believed to have pay cuts in place due to relegation there is no need to sell.

Add the fact that this ffp fine won't be anywhere near as big as people are suggesting why would we sell all 5.

Keep Phillips, Fer and caulker and a few shrewd signings and we could be back in the prem this time next year.

This is bang on... Add in McCarthy to the mix and we have the spine of a excellent, young side.

[West London is Rss]

There are some brilliant young players in the lower league's we should be looking at..

Aaron Holloway at Wycombe is one

[dave58]

Would genuinely be surprised if all 5 are gone. Would be awful business by the club and would leave us with a huge rebuolding job.

With caulker, Fer and Phillips all having 2 plus years left on their contract and believed to have pay cuts in place due to relegation there is no need to sell.

Add the fact that this ffp fine won't be anywhere near as big as people are suggesting why would we sell all 5.

Keep Phillips, Fer and caulker and a few shrewd signings and we could be back in the prem this time next year.

If you really think Austin(1year),Fer M.Phillips(2 years) will be here next year regsrdless of how long they have, you are deluded none will be here! all want to play back in the Prem and will insist on leaving if a descent offer comes in, clubs no longer have the power to keep players,Ask Liverpool?

[hh9]

If you really think Austin(1year),Fer M.Phillips(2 years) will be here next year regsrdless of how long they have, you are deluded none will be here! all want to play back in the Prem and will insist on leaving if a descent offer comes in, clubs no longer have the power to keep players,Ask Liverpool?

What worries me most is that many peoples favoured players will leave because they want to play in the PL - they might not be the youngest (all our youngsters are crap anyway)
Green, Ferdinand, Dunne, Hill, Henry, Barton are all certain to play in the PL next season

[dsqpr]

Where did you come up with that figure for Onuoha?

Type "Nedum Onuoha wages" into Google. Obviously I don't know if it is correct but that is where I got it from. Salary: 3.12 million GBP (2012).

Also, there is a reason furlong is the captain of the youth team and doughty isn't and never has been.

Just going based on what I've seen of them in the first team. Furlong not quite ready for prime time but Doughty is, IMHO.

[maidstone_hoop]

If you really think Austin(1year),Fer M.Phillips(2 years) will be here next year regsrdless of how long they have, you are deluded none will be here! all want to play back in the Prem and will insist on leaving if a descent offer comes in, clubs no longer have the power to keep players,Ask Liverpool?

Dave you can't say for sure all will be gone. Whatever you think of tf he has a lot of money tied up in qpr and big plans for the future. It does not make sense to get rid of them all unless serious money is offered.
Austin is a different story as people will offer big bucks and 1 year left on his deal. But the club has every right to put their foot down with caulker, Fer and Matty and say no your staying and quite often clubs do this until it gets down to the 1 year remaining point on the players contracts.
People keep saying caulker and Fer will be off but they might not fancy another move again a year after joining. I think the word deluded you thrown around there is a bit off. It's very plausible they could be with us or 2 of the, stay and 2 are sold depending on what the club want to do.

[dsqpr]

Dave you can't say for sure all will be gone. Whatever you think of tf he has a lot of money tied up in qpr and big plans for the future. It does not make sense to get rid of them all unless serious money is offered.
Austin is a different story as people will offer big bucks and 1 year left on his deal. But the club has every right to put their foot down with caulker, Fer and Matty and say no your staying and quite often clubs do this until it gets down to the 1 year remaining point on the players contracts.
People keep saying caulker and Fer will be off but they might not fancy another move again a year after joining. I think the word deluded you thrown around there is a bit off. It's very plausible they could be with us or 2 of the, stay and 2 are sold depending on what the club want to do.

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