You have all given up too soon

[Hove Ranger]

Hello!!!!! we are surrendering where was the fight last week, where has the fight been in every away game bar one, where is the fight Burnley showed against Man City, where is the fight Hull showed to get back in the game from two down against the would be champions

This side since Christmas has bent over and taken whatever the opposition have wanted to shaft them with

And I will tell you something which you wont like but, like the players are to blame, also the likes of you and Nasser etc are just as responsible as your facilitators of this current sham as fans like yourselves are to forgiving and accepting of the situation and by being this way you offer the club and players a get out of jail card

When a few of us after three away games raised concerns that the away efforts did not smell right and it needed addressing immediately you and others made excuse after excuse saying it would get better, you called me and those that could see what was going on negative for not doing what your suggesting now SUPPORTING the team. Well I have been supporting the team home and away but that don't mean I cant raise concerns when there obvious to all!!! whereas you have chosen to take the cowards way out and pretend everything is tickety boo!!! well its not and has not been since Spurs away but by making excuses your partly responsible for the current position we find ourselves

Had a few others chosen to be more vocal with us 'negative lot' instead of looking for excuses Harry would have gone after West Ham Pulis would have no doubt come in and we would more then likely be safe now but no Harry had to be backed as he gave us a day out at Wembley so needed loyalty!!! No he never needed loyalty he needed ousting by the fans as it was obvious from then it was going wrong; what needed loyalty from the fans was OUR club and our club needs OUR loyalty now and that's not pretending we have a chance of staying up but getting to the problem of what is wrong with it so next season (whatever division were in) is not a right off as well

Spot on Westie

[MYU]

Richard ,in his own words ,"rarely attends matches these days" ,that inmo is why he has no clue as to the mess our club is in ( maybe he`ll come again in tonys 40,000 seat utopia ,i dont know , if he attended matches at Loftus rd ,you could ask him .)

Richard is doing nothing wrong vespa, he's living in hope which will hurt more if we don't manage to stay up. I feel it's better accepting it because if they do manage to pull 4 wins out the bag, then it will be the biggest buzz ever!

[Fraggy]

There is 99% chance of dropping down and about 1% chance of staying up. Why kill yourself with false hopes, I suffer from really bad migraines and it's better to be realistic sometimes, less pain.

It's not the end of the world, we'll still have our club next year and that is the most important thing.

1% - so there is hope - remember, the word fan is taken from the word fanatical; even if we were mathematically down, I would still hold onto hope that team above us may screw up & have points deducted - I'm with you Rich!

[stanistheman]

Hello!!!!! we are surrendering where was the fight last week, where has the fight been in every away game bar one, where is the fight Burnley showed against Man City, where is the fight Hull showed to get back in the game from two down against the would be champions

This side since Christmas has bent over and taken whatever the opposition have wanted to shaft them with

And I will tell you something which you wont like but, like the players are to blame, also the likes of you and Nasser etc are just as responsible as your facilitators of this current sham as fans like yourselves are to forgiving and accepting of the situation and by being this way you offer the club and players a get out of jail card

When a few of us after three away games raised concerns that the away efforts did not smell right and it needed addressing immediately you and others made excuse after excuse saying it would get better, you called me and those that could see what was going on negative for not doing what your suggesting now SUPPORTING the team. Well I have been supporting the team home and away but that don't mean I cant raise concerns when there obvious to all!!! whereas you have chosen to take the cowards way out and pretend everything is tickety boo!!! well its not and has not been since Spurs away but by making excuses your partly responsible for the current position we find ourselves

Had a few others chosen to be more vocal with us 'negative lot' instead of looking for excuses Harry would have gone after West Ham Pulis would have no doubt come in and we would more then likely be safe now but no Harry had to be backed as he gave us a day out at Wembley so needed loyalty!!! No he never needed loyalty he needed ousting by the fans as it was obvious from then it was going wrong; what needed loyalty from the fans was OUR club and our club needs OUR loyalty now and that's not pretending we have a chance of staying up but getting to the problem of what is wrong with it so next season (whatever division were in) is not a right off as well

Well said that man.
Had fans called for Redkrapps head in Sept or Oct he would have been sacked, but because the team shoeed some fight at home to Liverpool and Man City all seemed to be forgiven.

[Hitman34]

Well said that man.
Had fans called for Redkrapps head in Sept or Oct he would have been sacked, but because the team shoeed some fight at home to Liverpool and Man City all seemed to be forgiven.

i was calling for rescrapps head way back in febuary 2014. ya cant put the blame on me big boy.

[West Acton]

i was calling for rescrapps head way back in febuary 2014. ya cant put the blame on me big boy.

That tickled me Hits but your right there was an argument he should have gone last season given how shocking we were

[QPR Richard]

Hello!!!!! we are surrendering where was the fight last week, where has the fight been in every away game bar one, where is the fight Burnley showed against Man City, where is the fight Hull showed to get back in the game from two down against the would be champions

This side since Christmas has bent over and taken whatever the opposition have wanted to shaft them with

And I will tell you something which you wont like but, like the players are to blame, also the likes of you and Nasser etc are just as responsible as your facilitators of this current sham as fans like yourselves are to forgiving and accepting of the situation and by being this way you offer the club and players a get out of jail card

When a few of us after three away games raised concerns that the away efforts did not smell right and it needed addressing immediately you and others made excuse after excuse saying it would get better, you called me and those that could see what was going on negative for not doing what your suggesting now SUPPORTING the team. Well I have been supporting the team home and away but that don't mean I cant raise concerns when there obvious to all!!! whereas you have chosen to take the cowards way out and pretend everything is tickety boo!!! well its not and has not been since Spurs away but by making excuses your partly responsible for the current position we find ourselves

Had a few others chosen to be more vocal with us 'negative lot' instead of looking for excuses Harry would have gone after West Ham Pulis would have no doubt come in and we would more then likely be safe now but no Harry had to be backed as he gave us a day out at Wembley so needed loyalty!!! No he never needed loyalty he needed ousting by the fans as it was obvious from then it was going wrong; what needed loyalty from the fans was OUR club and our club needs OUR loyalty now and that's not pretending we have a chance of staying up but getting to the problem of what is wrong with it so next season (whatever division were in) is not a right off as well

That's a real hysterical outburst. Firstly, the things you accuse me of, like after three home games, put your evidence up. If you're right, I'll accept it. As for cowardice, let me remind you that it's YOU who has meekly run up the white flag, not me.

As for me pretending things are tickety-boo, where have I said that? I'm just as pissed off with results as everyone else. How dare you suggest I don't give a stuff? You've already caved in, why get upset about it? That should be left to those who still think we have a chance.

As for holding ME partly responsible for what's gone wrong is absolutely ridiculous!! Did I pick the team? Did I sign the players? Did I select the game plan? You're just looking for a convenient scape goat from behind your keyboard instead of confronting the players yourself. Real bravery that. Why don't you hang around after a game and tell Ramsey and the players what you think, instead of blaming me for their failures?

[SammyKojoe]

That's a real hysterical outburst. Firstly, the things you accuse me of, like after three home games, put your evidence up. If you're right, I'll accept it. As for cowardice, let me remind you that it's YOU who has meekly run up the white flag, not me.

As for me pretending things are tickety-boo, where have I said that? I'm just as pissed off with results as everyone else. How dare you suggest I don't give a stuff? You've already caved in, why get upset about it? That should be left to those who still think we have a chance.

As for holding ME partly responsible for what's gone wrong is absolutely ridiculous!! Did I pick the team? Did I sign the players? Did I select the game plan? You're just looking for a convenient scape goat from behind your keyboard instead of confronting the players yourself. Real bravery that. Why don't you hang around after a game and tell Ramsey and the players what you think, instead of blaming me for their failures?

Genuine question mate and apologies if you have answered this before but what bar the actual Maths of not being down....makes you think we have any hope/chance of surviving? I just find it impossible that anyone who has seen any of our last few games will think we will pick up 1 win let alone 4 or 5. I know other teams are keeping us in it by losing as well but that is no good if we cannot pick up any points which we can't seem to and don't even look like doing.

Fair play though that you do still think we can get out of it. I would hope everyone on here would love you to be correct.

[West Acton]

That's a real hysterical outburst. Firstly, the things you accuse me of, like after three home games, put your evidence up. If you're right, I'll accept it. As for cowardice, let me remind you that it's YOU who has meekly run up the white flag, not me.

As for me pretending things are tickety-boo, where have I said that? I'm just as pissed off with results as everyone else. How dare you suggest I don't give a stuff? You've already caved in, why get upset about it? That should be left to those who still think we have a chance.

As for holding ME partly responsible for what's gone wrong is absolutely ridiculous!! Did I pick the team? Did I sign the players? Did I select the game plan? You're just looking for a convenient scape goat from behind your keyboard instead of confronting the players yourself. Real bravery that. Why don't you hang around after a game and tell Ramsey and the players what you think, instead of blaming me for their failures?

Jesus Christ Richard come on

I don't want us to go down, far from it we all have the same love just because I and others can see what is before us don't mean we have surrendered; simply means we have realistic (I know you don't like that expression) expectations in comparison to you. You appear to take offence to any criticism of the team rather preferring to put forward pathetic excuses and im not giving up battle cries rather then just fronting up to what's happening.

Do you think your support is better then other fans simply because you have remained positive??

Its great you believe (I asked you previously but you ignored the question about what this belief is based upon) but don't get upset if others don't have the same belief as you, it don't mean we don't have the stomach for the fight or that we wont still turn out for the team (out of interest how many games you plotted up to this season???)

As for holding you responsible then yes I do (as I do the other happy clappers) but don't take it out of context and act like a baby as I did clearly say You ETC therefore not referring to you as the sole individual. There is nothing wrong with expressing concerns Richard in fact there are positives to come from questioning what is wrong as by doing so we can perhaps address the root cause of the problem. Failing to question the issues will result in the same mistakes being made!!!! Had the fans and I mean ALL OF US been more vocal in questioning what was going on early in the season perhaps we would not be where we find ourselves now. While we accept what the team are serving up where is the pressure on them to change??? where was the pressure on the board to change manager that was what was needed???

If I have wrongly accused you of defending early season efforts then please accept my apology however given the passion you show for defending this shower of a team 30 games in I cannot imagine you would not have been banging the same defence after 5 or 6 games when some of us who are bit more clued up to what's going on identified the problem early doors!!!

If you were having a new roof put on your house and you sort out your roofer and tell him you want red tiles and you go to work and come back and there is a load thatch on your drive would you ask questions or remain positive everything will be ok??? if you go to work the following day and come home to the roofer on the roof putting thatch on with no tiles in sight do you say excuse me roofer we have a problem here or do you remain positive and think to yourself it might look ok when its finished??

As for hysterical outburst can I refer you to anyone of your posts the last month or so; all the same, all boring and each one making you look rather silly. Keep your head up your a rse if that's what you like just don't expect everyone else to follow your lead

[West Acton]

Genuine question mate and apologies if you have answered this before but what bar the actual Maths of not being down....makes you think we have any hope/chance of surviving? I just find it impossible that anyone who has seen any of our last few games will think we will pick up 1 win let alone 4 or 5. I know other teams are keeping us in it by losing as well but that is no good if we cannot pick up any points which we can't seem to and don't even look like doing.

Fair play though that you do still think we can get out of it. I would hope everyone on here would love you to be correct.

I asked the same question

And your right I defy anyone on this board not to want Richard to be right and were all out in Leicester celebrating come last game that's what we all want Me, Richard You every poster wants it. I hope that Richard has the opportunity to throw some massive custard pies in my face as I will happily accept them as that means we have done the biz and will start next season a prem side cant see it some how but hope God willing im wrong

[QPR Richard]

Genuine question mate and apologies if you have answered this before but what bar the actual Maths of not being down....makes you think we have any hope/chance of surviving? I just find it impossible that anyone who has seen any of our last few games will think we will pick up 1 win let alone 4 or 5. I know other teams are keeping us in it by losing as well but that is no good if we cannot pick up any points which we can't seem to and don't even look like doing.

Fair play though that you do still think we can get out of it. I would hope everyone on here would love you to be correct.

Bar the maths? As you've correctly stated, there's teams around us that are rubbish too, I'm hoping (rightly or wrongly) the spineless #######s who wear our shirt grow a backbone and make an effort to win some games. Throwing in the towel won't save us. Despite the rubbish that's been served up most of the season, we've still got some good players that are capable of winning some games. Austin, Phillips, Barton, Green, Adel, Vargas, Isla, Fer when he's fit, are all capable players.

I'm still hopeful those players can put in some winning performances. I may be completely wrong, but that's how I feel. I don't think fans who still believe should be subject to a stream of abuse just because we hold a different view.

[West Acton]

I don't think fans who still believe should be subject to a stream of abuse just because we hold a different view.

Equally those that don't believe should not be accused of surrendering and criticised for voicing their concerns

Regards comment on spineless sods wearing our shirts growing back bone could no agree more with you

[QPR Richard]

Equally those that don't believe should not be accused of surrendering and criticised for voicing their concerns

Regards comment on spineless sods wearing our shirts growing back bone could no agree more with you

Amen to that

[stanistheman]

i was calling for rescrapps head way back in febuary 2014. ya cant put the blame on me big boy.

I am not putting the blame on you though. There were too few of us calling for his head.

[Shepherds Mush]

I am not putting the blame on you though. There were too few of us calling for his head.

"Redknapp Out" was about the only thing you could ever read on here, every day, since I can't remember when !!