No Austin in England Squad

[nasser95]

Nasser mate, I think you are too clouded by stats. Welbeck brings more to a team than just scoring goals; he makes runs into the channels, runs behind the defence and all round has high work rate and good pace. This stretches the opposition and allows other players to get the goals. Charlie is really just a one trick pony (albeit very good at it) with his finishing. He lacks pace, hold up play/aerial ability with back to goal and thus struggles to play as a lone striker IMO

I would agree with you but welbeck lacks a few things as a striker to make him a really good player, His finishing and direct involvement in the game. If you wanted someone with those qualities, Mackie brought that. He has a similar shot quality as welbeck too. The difference is that mackie is older and didn't start out at a club like utd. Irrespective, welbeck is a better player than Mackie (by a long way) but i still don't think he is as good as some would suggest he is.

[stationcafe]

How can you claim the stats indicate that Welbeck doesn't know how to get in goalscoring positions when most of those games he has been played out wide?

he is still rated as one of the fastest in the league when moving at full speed
He moves with the ball so well at times but being played out of position doesn't help (Leroy Fer will tell you that)
His vision is one of his key elements to his game. Look at fellaini's goal against us as a key example of this.
I would say a more than half decent shot
His work rate has been outstanding his whole career, hence his captaincy role. Pirlo didn't really do him, considering they were playing completely separate positions. Different situations call for different players with regards to the champions league match.
His free kicks can be worldy's at times but very few players are really super consistent.
Leadership is brought about by him being captain and leading by example, look at their most recent match to attest to that.

- He really isn't one of the fastest, he's incredibly lethargic for a striker.
- You can't cite a goal against one of the worst defences in the league as proof he's got great vision.
- Pirlo ran that Italy game playing deep on the right side of midfield. Absolutely no chances came down England's left side, where Rooney was playing. England only played a 2 of Henderson & Gerrard, meaning they were overrun in midfield - as the wide player it was Rooney's responsibility to drop back and tame Pirlo, which he completely failed to do. He is a tactical liability.
- You will never see Rooney dominate a match against top opposition again. Notice how Man Utd's worst form in decades has coincided with Rooney's best patch for years? He only ever does well at the expense of the team.
- His set pieces are more miss than hit.
- Bullying the small teams isn't good enough for the captain of the national team and supposedly the biggest club in the country, he has to do it against the big teams when it counts.

I'm not saying Rooney has no natural talent, but sadly he really has regressed as a player yet is undroppable due to corporate interests & his media profile. Ferguson set the stage for Moyes to sell him & make Kagawa Utd's #10 behind RvP, but Moyes didn't have the balls and now they're stuck with him on wages no club will ever match. The media will never turn on him though, at least not until the next poster boy of English football comes around (probably Kane).

Everyone says he's played out of position - why? Who is he being played out of position to accommodate?

[Hove Ranger]

I would agree with you but welbeck lacks a few things as a striker to make him a really good player, His finishing and direct involvement in the game. If you wanted someone with those qualities, Mackie brought that. He has a similar shot quality as welbeck too. The difference is that mackie is older and didn't start out at a club like utd. Irrespective, welbeck is a better player than Mackie (by a long way) but i still don't think he is as good as some would suggest he is.

So you compared Austin to Messi the other day and now Welbeck to Mackie. I've heard it all now

[vblockranger]

So you compared Austin to Messi the other day and now Welbeck to Mackie. I've heard it all now

I think he is basing all this on their corresponding PS4 FIFA stats

[West London is Rss]

he was in the champ, he scored 2 goals...

Oh Nasser old bean, your such a face palm.

[West London is Rss]

I would agree with you but welbeck lacks a few things as a striker to make him a really good player, His finishing and direct involvement in the game. If you wanted someone with those qualities, Mackie brought that. He has a similar shot quality as welbeck too. The difference is that mackie is older and didn't start out at a club like utd. Irrespective, welbeck is a better player than Mackie (by a long way) but i still don't think he is as good as some would suggest he is.

Oh god Nasser...... Your now comparing Welbeck to Mackie!!!!!

[Hove Ranger]

Oh god Nasser...... Your now comparing Welbeck to Mackie!!!!!

Shame Mackie has already played for Scotland or you would have Woy down the Madjeski checking him out

[West London is Rss]

Shame Mackie has already played for Scotland or you would have Woy down the Madjeski checking him out

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

welbeck is a better player than Mackie (by a long way) but i still don't think he is as good as some would suggest he is.

Im genuinely LOLLING!

You're actually off your nut

[nasser95]

I'm saying that they play a similar style, you have literally listed everything that mackie was, and I did say That welbeck was clearly a number of levels above Mackie in quality. Irrespective, that doesn't win matches. Players like rooney and austin win you matches.

[nasser95]

But sure, ignore everything I said in the name of jokes. Ultimately, rooney is a top 50 in the world player year in, year out, welbeck is not and will never be.

[Nick]

Does make you wonder how good/where he'd be had Austin spent pretty much 6 years at UTD with those players and manager/training staff around him, instead of grafting on building sites his whole life.... got to say reckon he'd be an England regular by now.

[West London is Rss]

But sure, ignore everything I said in the name of jokes. Ultimately, rooney is a top 50 in the world player year in, year out, welbeck is not and will never be.

Your talking like a muppet mate. Welbeck could become a top 50 player, his only 24. Its a fairly big assumption to make saying that he will never be...

You've also just said Welbeck doesnt win matches?.. Your off your rocker mate cos he just won Arsenal the FA Cup quarter-final away from home at old trafford.

Just give up

[nasser95]

Your talking like a muppet mate. Welbeck could become a top 50 player, his only 24. Its a fairly big assumption to make saying that he will never be...

You've also just said Welbeck doesnt win matches?.. Your off your rocker mate cos he just won Arsenal the FA Cup quarter-final away from home at old trafford.

Just give up

Congrats, he won one match. He isn't consistent in this part of his game. just because you use 1 example. Even 2 or 3 don't really show it. A good player he is. A quality player he isn't. He doesn't bring quality and wastes chances. btw, those chances that he doesn't create were all with him playing as a striker Stationcafe. Just going to point that out...

[vblockranger]

Why Roy Hodgson did not call up QPR striker Charlie Austin

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/why-roy-hodgson-did-not-call-up-qpr-striker-charlie-austin-10122336.html