No Austin in England Squad

[DannyDire]

remember in the summer when some on here were saying Welbeck wasnt good enough for us

Blimey, who said that?? One of the ##### who thinks taarabt can do a job nowadays I'd imagine?!

[nasser95]

Charlie has been great for us this season but I don't think he's good enough to be in the England squad as mentioned above, he has no pace, not the best at holding up the ball and not really good at dribbling either.

Yet has as many goals as rooney and welbeck combined in the league this season, playing for a worse team and has 12 more goals than sturridge and a better goals per minute ratio than Rooney, Welbeck and Sturridge. What that suggests to me is that he is just a better classic striker than all of them.

[Alanwycombe]

Yet has as many goals as rooney and welbeck combined in the league this season, playing for a worse team and has 12 more goals than sturridge and a better goals per minute ratio than Rooney, Welbeck and Sturridge. What that suggests to me is that he is just a better classic striker than all of them.

Are you serious? I love Charlie but, come off it....

[nasser95]

Are you serious? I love Charlie but, come off it....

Come off what? The bloke scores goals, he always has. He plays with energy to match any of those strikers and finishes better than them in truth (Apart from maybe rooney). He isn't selfish, he defends and attacks and brings a huge bonus to any team he is on. If he can score in the prem for a team with no chance creation, imagine playing for a team with some remote level of creativity.

[vblockranger]

Come off what? The bloke scores goals, he always has. He plays with energy to match any of those strikers and finishes better than them in truth (Apart from maybe rooney). He isn't selfish, he defends and attacks and brings a huge bonus to any team he is on. If he can score in the prem for a team with no chance creation, imagine playing for a team with some remote level of creativity.

Great finisher but lacks a few things that will imo mean he wont be top striker for a big club

[Del]

Come on, Welbeck has been one of England's best performers for the last few years, you can't drop him. He'll play wide anyway, something that Austin's not cut out for.

Kane was always going to be brought in, Sturridge is an important player. Rooney is holding the team back but he'll forever be forced into the side as he is the FA/Prem poster boy of this era. If anything Berahino deserves a call up.

Austin is too one dimensional for England at the moment. He's unlucky but for the first time in years we have some kind of depth in the ST/CF departments. He'll get a cap eventually though.

Laughable comment. Rooney's only appeared to be slightly under par (by his very high standards that is) when forced to play out of position. He is our best player by a country mile and should play in his best and most effective position with the team then built around him. Then we may actually look half decent and creative.

[MattyRangers]

Laughable comment. Rooney's only appeared to be slightly under par (by his very high standards that is) when forced to play out of position. He is our best player by a country mile and should play in his best and most effective position with the team then built around him. Then we may actually look half decent and creative.

[Alanwycombe]

Come off what? The bloke scores goals, he always has. He plays with energy to match any of those strikers and finishes better than them in truth (Apart from maybe rooney). He isn't selfish, he defends and attacks and brings a huge bonus to any team he is on. If he can score in the prem for a team with no chance creation, imagine playing for a team with some remote level of creativity.

Why do you think he's scored more goals than Sturridge? Could it be that Sturridge hasn't been playing until recently? I find any comparison with Rooney amazing - Rooney's consistency over the past ten or twelve years is outstanding and is a far more complete player even when his form dips, which it is entitled to occasionally. There might, just might, be a case to make with Welbeck but I couldn't see any top club swapping Welbeck for Charlie. We'll soon find out.

[Hove Ranger]

Come off what? The bloke scores goals, he always has. He plays with energy to match any of those strikers and finishes better than them in truth (Apart from maybe rooney). He isn't selfish, he defends and attacks and brings a huge bonus to any team he is on. If he can score in the prem for a team with no chance creation, imagine playing for a team with some remote level of creativity.

Didn't you say on the Sherwood poll thread that we are not in need of an attacking coach as it is in defence we are lacking but not in attack? So we aren't lacking in attack but we don't create chances? Enlighten me...

[nasser95]

Why do you think he's scored more goals than Sturridge? Could it be that Sturridge hasn't been playing until recently? I find any comparison with Rooney amazing - Rooney's consistency over the past ten or twelve years is outstanding and is a far more complete player even when his form dips, which it is entitled to occasionally. There might, just might, be a case to make with Welbeck but I couldn't see any top club swapping Welbeck for Charlie. We'll soon find out.

Sturridge still has fewer goals per minute, in case you didn't read my previous post. Fair enough Rooney has been consistent, but incase you didn't know, Austin has scored 17 goals per season every season of his professional career. So there is some consistency too. Welbeck is the opposite, same for Sturridge to a degree

[nasser95]

Didn't you say on the Sherwood poll thread that we are not in need of an attacking coach as it is in defence we are lacking but not in attack? So we aren't lacking in attack but we don't create chances? Enlighten me...

Yes I did, we are able to score because we have the talent. We are not creative and we all know that, but we get the ball in somehow most games. I'm saying for a relegation threatened side, we are ok with the attacking. Austin scores no matter what service he is given, but when the service is better, imagine how much he can do.

[Hove Ranger]

Yes I did, we are able to score because we have the talent. We are not creative and we all know that, but we get the ball in somehow most games. I'm saying for a relegation threatened side, we are ok with the attacking. Austin scores no matter what service he is given, but when the service is better, imagine how much he can do.

Isn't "getting the ball in somehow" creating chances? Maybe you should phrase things better in future, saying lower chance creation instead of no chance creation could be a start.

[nasser95]

Isn't "getting the ball in somehow" creating chances? Maybe you should phrase things better in future, saying lower chance creation instead of no chance creation could be a start.

If you are interpreting it like that, then maybe it is your problem and not mine?

[stationcafe]

Sturridge should be our CF. Scoring goals in a shite team (Austin) doesn't make you a better striker, and there's nothing to say Charlie will step up to the next level. He'd get goals for Liverpool, Utd, Spurs etc. in the Premiership but he won't take them up a gear in Europe, which is what really matters for thiose clubs.

Laughable comment. Rooney's only appeared to be slightly under par (by his very high standards that is) when forced to play out of position. He is our best player by a country mile and should play in his best and most effective position with the team then built around him. Then we may actually look half decent and creative.

Nope, Rooney is a cancer for both Man Utd and England. His need to be the star of the show limits his teammates. He's the archetypal English hype job...

He hasn't been forced to play out of position - he doesn't have the instinct or pace to play as an out and out striker any more, he doesn't have the brain to play as a no. 10 or creator, he doesnt have the engine to play out wide. He's the golden boy and will forever get love from the media, but he's been finished as an elite footballer for years.

As for the idea the team should be built around him - his link up play is horrible, he'll go for a pointless 50 yard pass or go for glory worth a wasteful long shot when he could play a team mate in. He doesn't have the quick feet needed to unlock good defences. He rarely, if ever, shows up in the big matches (I'm not talking games against Arsenal, Spurs or Hull, or international qualifiers, but knockout CL matches & international tournaments).

For PR & marketing reasons he is undroppable, and we will inevitably see him shoehorned into a CM role in the near future.

[nasser95]

Sturridge should be our CF. The argument that Nope, Rooney is a cancer for both Man Utd and England. His need to be the star of the show limits his teammates. He's the archetypal English hype job...

He hasn't been forced to play out of position - he doesn't have the instinct or pace to play as an out and out striker any more, he doesn't have the brain to play as a no. 10 or creator, he doesnt have the engine to play out wide. He's the golden boy and will forever get love from the media, but he's been finished as an elite footballer for years.

As for the idea the team should be built around him - his link up play is horrible, he'll go for a pointless 50 yard pass or go for glory worth a wasteful long shot when he could play a team mate in. He doesn't have the quick feet needed to unlock good defences. He rarely, if ever, shows up in the big matches (I'm not talking games against Arsenal, Spurs or Hull, or international qualifiers, but knockout CL matches & international tournaments).

For PR & marketing reasons he is undroppable, and we will inevitably see him shoehorned into a CM role in the near future.

Ridiculous. Rooney is one of the best footballers of this generation. To suggest he is there for marketing alone as opposed to pure talent is a ridiculous statement.