No Austin in England Squad

[Nick]

The few times Ive seen him play for UTD recently I think he's been tops for them... looks very strong, holds up play/creative play and can still find the back of the net. If any of the top 5 clubs in the league were offered him I don't think they'd turn him down....... My problem with him is when he puts an England top on. Seems to almost lose concentration and it shows in his general play. Also seem to miss a $hit load- would actually like to know his passing and shooting on/off target stats for England/UTD, Nasser maybe???

[West London is Rss]

Welbeck is pretty p00 to be honest. 4 league goals this season? He's a try hard & a decent player, yes, but no way is he "miles ahead" of Asutin in talent.

Sturridge is, yes, but not Welbeck.

Bloody hell Matty... Austin's a great finisher and works hard but give me Welbeck all day. I think the old blue and white hooped tinted glasses are getting in the way on this opinion haha

[Del]

Nope, Rooney is a cancer for both Man Utd and England. His need to be the star of the show limits his teammates. He's the archetypal English hype job...

He hasn't been forced to play out of position - he doesn't have the instinct or pace to play as an out and out striker any more, he doesn't have the brain to play as a no. 10 or creator, he doesnt have the engine to play out wide. He's the golden boy and will forever get love from the media, but he's been finished as an elite footballer for years.

As for the idea the team should be built around him - his link up play is horrible, he'll go for a pointless 50 yard pass or go for glory worth a wasteful long shot when he could play a team mate in. He doesn't have the quick feet needed to unlock good defences. He rarely, if ever, shows up in the big matches (I'm not talking games against Arsenal, Spurs or Hull, or international qualifiers, but knockout CL matches & international tournaments).

For PR & marketing reasons he is undroppable, and we will inevitably see him shoehorned into a CM role in the near future.

You're just making yourself look incredibly stupid now, but good luck to you. I can't be bothered to waste the time pulling your ridiculous comments to pieces, but I think it's safe to say the majority who read your post will think you are either a resident at Broadmoor, or you just simply have a major dislike of Rooney for some reason.

[Shepherds Mush]

Sturridge should be our CF. Scoring goals in a shite team (Austin) doesn't make you a better striker, and there's nothing to say Charlie will step up to the next level. He'd get goals for Liverpool, Utd, Spurs etc. in the Premiership but he won't take them up a gear in Europe, which is what really matters for thiose clubs. Nope, Rooney is a cancer for both Man Utd and England. His need to be the star of the show limits his teammates. He's the archetypal English hype job...

He hasn't been forced to play out of position - he doesn't have the instinct or pace to play as an out and out striker any more, he doesn't have the brain to play as a no. 10 or creator, he doesnt have the engine to play out wide. He's the golden boy and will forever get love from the media, but he's been finished as an elite footballer for years.

As for the idea the team should be built around him - his link up play is horrible, he'll go for a pointless 50 yard pass or go for glory worth a wasteful long shot when he could play a team mate in. He doesn't have the quick feet needed to unlock good defences. He rarely, if ever, shows up in the big matches (I'm not talking games against Arsenal, Spurs or Hull, or international qualifiers, but knockout CL matches & international tournaments).

For PR & marketing reasons he is undroppable, and we will inevitably see him shoehorned into a CM role in the near future.

This is quite possibly the most idiotic post of the year! Your only excuse for this should be that you don't watch football.

[nasser95]

The few times Ive seen him play for UTD recently I think he's been tops for them... looks very strong, holds up play/creative play and can still find the back of the net. If any of the top 5 clubs in the league were offered him I don't think they'd turn him down....... My problem with him is when he puts an England top on. Seems to almost lose concentration and it shows in his general play. Also seem to miss a $hit load- would actually like to know his passing and shooting on/off target stats for England/UTD, Nasser maybe???

OK so this season, with arsenal, he has averaged 22.3 passes per game, getting an 82% pass accuracy.
For england, in the WC and the qualifiers, he has an 87% pass accuracy, again only attempting about 23 passes per game.
For Man Utd he again averages near enough the same values.

Shooting wise, he has had 1.65 shots per game on average in the last 6 years in the prem. Of these, only 0.61 have been on target while 1.04 have been off target or blocked. This gives him an accuracy of 37%.
For england, he has only had 0.15 shots on target per game in the last 6 years of competitive football, despite having 0.75 shots per game overall. This gives him an accuracy of 20%, albeit with low numbers.

[nasser95]

This is quite possibly the most idiotic post of the year! Your only excuse for this should be that you don't watch football.

I'm still reeling from the shock of that post. The fact that I'm being called a newbie football fan for disagreeing with that statement of all statements is hilarious to me haha.

[Shepherds Mush]

I'm still reeling from the shock of that post. The fact that I'm being called a newbie football fan for disagreeing with that statement of all statements is hilarious to me haha.

Must just do it for effect because Rooney is still one of the best strikers in England when played in his natural position.

[nasser95]

Must just do it for effect because Rooney is still one of the best strikers in England when played in his natural position.

He is still a fantastic player in midfield, he just doesn't score as often. Regardless, 11 goals playing totally out of position in a much deeper role is crazy

[Nick]

OK so this season, with arsenal, he has averaged 22.3 passes per game, getting an 82% pass accuracy.
For england, in the WC and the qualifiers, he has an 87% pass accuracy, again only attempting about 23 passes per game.
For Man Utd he again averages near enough the same values.

Shooting wise, he has had 1.65 shots per game on average in the last 6 years in the prem. Of these, only 0.61 have been on target while 1.04 have been off target or blocked. This gives him an accuracy of 37%.
For england, he has only had 0.15 shots on target per game in the last 6 years of competitive football, despite having 0.75 shots per game overall. This gives him an accuracy of 20%, albeit with low numbers.

Nice one Nasser but sorry mate I was talking about Rooney, not welbeck..... Tell you what though those shooting stats for any striker is terrible. Surely that cant be right- average of 1.65 shots 'per game over 6 years' AND only 37% of that is on target... thats crazy!!!!

Anyway like I said Nasser, you got the Rooney stats? cheers mate.

[nasser95]

Nice one Nasser but sorry mate I was talking about Rooney, not welbeck..... Tell you what though those shooting stats for any striker is terrible. Surely that cant be right- average of 1.65 shots 'per game over 6 years' AND only 37% of that is on target... thats crazy!!!!

Anyway like I said Nasser, you got the Rooney stats? cheers mate.

Cheers mate, Yea here are the same stats but for Rooney:

In 6 premier league years, he has averaged 46.5 passes, getting an accuracy of 79.8% albeit, with a huge amount of passes for a striker.
For england in the world cup and its qualifiers, he has averaged 31.4 passes, with 79% accuracy.
An additional stat is that rooney succeeds in playing 1.8 key passes per game. Welbeck only averages 0.74.

Shooting:
Rooney in the prem has taken on average 3.8 shots per game in the last 6 years, with 1.5 being on target on average and 2.3 being either off target or blocked. That gives him an accuracy of 39.4%, albeit with significantly more shots taken per game than welbeck.
For england rooney takes 2.75 shots per game, with 1 being on target in general which gives him a 36.3 % accuracy.

Just to compare the shooting to that of charlie austin, charlie has taken 3.8 shots per game on average in the last 2 seasons, With 1.55 being on target and 2.25 being off target or blocked. That gives him an accuracy of 40.8%, one of the best in the league.

[West London is Rss]

Pahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Mate Austin is not better than Rooney or Welbeck. Can we just leave this ridiculous debate here.
Can we all take off our blue and white hooped tinted glasses and get real!! Its ridiculous to even debate it for SO many reasons.

Austin needs to lose a stone and get some pace from somewhere before he can become anywhere near Rooney or Welbeck.

[Nick]

Cheers mate, Yea here are the same stats but for Rooney:

In 6 premier league years, he has averaged 46.5 passes, getting an accuracy of 79.8% albeit, with a huge amount of passes for a striker.
For england in the world cup and its qualifiers, he has averaged 31.4 passes, with 79% accuracy.
An additional stat is that rooney succeeds in playing 1.8 key passes per game. Welbeck only averages 0.74.

Shooting:
Rooney in the prem has taken on average 3.8 shots per game in the last 6 years, with 1.5 being on target on average and 2.3 being either off target or blocked. That gives him an accuracy of 39.4%, albeit with significantly more shots taken per game than welbeck.
For england rooney takes 2.75 shots per game, with 1 being on target in general which gives him a 36.3 % accuracy.

Just to compare the shooting to that of charlie austin, charlie has taken 3.8 shots per game on average in the last 2 seasons, With 1.55 being on target and 2.25 being off target or blocked. That gives him an accuracy of 40.8%, one of the best in the league.

again cheers mate!

Yep Roonys obviously a better, more complete striker/player than Welbeck..... Cant really compare Austins 2years over the others 6 years but still very impressive, especially with the poor service he's had in those 2 years.

[nasser95]

Pahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Mate Austin is not better than Rooney or Welbeck. Can we just leave this ridiculous debate here.
Can we all take off our blue and white hooped tinted glasses and get real!! Its ridiculous to even debate it for SO many reasons.

Austin needs to lose a stone and get some pace from somewhere before he can become anywhere near Rooney or Welbeck.

Again, I'm not saying he is better than rooney. Welbeck is up for debate because welbeck hasn't done enough to suggest he is actually a better player. He has been awful at times for a few years despite having some of the best players around him. The difference I feel between Rooney/Austin and welbeck is their positional sense. Rooney and Austin seem to know how to be in the perfect place to receive the ball and take a chance. That is the sign of a top striker and that is highlighted by the fact that they can take plenty of shots and get a good proportion on target. Welbeck on the other hand hasn't really shown a good positional sense, always seems to be in the wrong place and hence, he doesn't get many shots off. Welbeck appears more complete simply because he is fast and yet despite that, he can't get into the right positions.

[Shepherds Mush]

Austin needs to lose a stone and get some pace from somewhere before he can become anywhere near Rooney or Welbeck.

And score less goals....

[West London is Rss]

And score less goals....

Once he does it consistently season after season for club or country, i will then compare him to Rooney and Welbeck.
Welbeck hasnt scored loads for Arsenal this season but when he puts on an England shirt he turns into a different player.