Barton talks....

[Shania]

but if you give up, how can you expect the players to care? I know they should be doing it in the first place but it is a downwards spiral.

I Sometimes think that you are too (optimistic) for this site. No pun.

[Greg1882]

You ask them to play, they will play and they will go on that pitch and perform. You ask them to put their heart into it when you won't do it yourself? And their only link to the club is financial? c'mon, the fans have to get behind the players. Saying it's over already won't give them any battle cries in the same way that motivated Burnley fans who believe in their team will give their players that edge.
When your team lacks quality, you have to have that extra heart. That is why clubs like chelsea can get away with not having loud fans, because their players are of such huge quality. For us, the fans play a huge role because the heart will be the difference ultimately. The quality isn't there and we all know it. But other clubs around us haven't given up yet. Not even leicester have ffs and they are well below us.

Oh #### off you clown . New bread of "supporter " who only looks at the stats . Try getting down the bush paying 50 notes and then tell us their hearts are in it . Unbelivable

[Shania]

but if you give up, how can you expect the players to care? I know they should be doing it in the first place but it is a downwards spiral.

Most of them, most likely collectively,have shown in every game that they have given up. I have not!, Hence where is the logic behind Barton´s statement.

[Rangers77]

For me the fans are partly responsible for this as we are too accepting of the performances; Palace is an example. Shambolic pathetic performance and at the end of the game the players are applauded off with vigour like they have put in some back against the wall performance and nicked the points and a few have their names sang. If we as fans are prepared to accept efforts such as Saturday and all the other away efforts that went before it where is the pressure on the players to give that bit more and fight for us as no matter how poorly they play they get a heros reception

This. If we'd cleaned the players clocks after WHU we'd have got something sorted.

[SteveQPR1975]

Barton talks shite

[nasser95]

Who are you to question my heart? Turn up week in, week out to be mugged off by the players.. We have been behind them all season and they have really been turning in the performances?!? Do you really think they give a toss about us? A select few I think do, but the majority dont care about us.

I'm not questioning your heart mate, honestly. I just have a bit of an issue with the fact that people have said that the players have shown no heart and seem to have given up, when people have said themselves that it is over on here. It is just a bit hypocritical to ask of them but each to their own. As for Burnley, I think we have been ahead of them more this season haven't we? We went through a phase as well where we should have been winning based on performances but weren't and unlike Burnley, some here showed no remorse. My opinion is that we shouldn't mug off the players for lack of heart until the season is over.

[nasser95]

Oh #### off you clown . New bread of "supporter " who only looks at the stats . Try getting down the bush paying 50 notes and then tell us their hearts are in it . Unbelivable

Im at literally every home match and try to go to as many away matches as my uni coursework schedule allows me to. I may have misphrased what I said about heart and that probably wasn't the word but people have given up alot more easily than they should have. Don't make random suggestions about my use of stats just because it suits your arguments. I go to a game, come back, have a think about what I saw, look at the stats and try and see where we went wrong, what we can improve on and where we are going right. Just because I'm not fervently ranting and raving about each and every thing we did wrong, doesn't mean I don't notice and analyse it.

[upperloft]

I'm not questioning your heart mate, honestly. I just have a bit of an issue with the fact that people have said that the players have shown no heart and seem to have given up, when people have said themselves that it is over on here. It is just a bit hypocritical to ask of them but each to their own. As for Burnley, I think we have been ahead of them more this season haven't we? We went through a phase as well where we should have been winning based on performances but weren't and unlike Burnley, some here showed no remorse. My opinion is that we shouldn't mug off the players for lack of heart until the season is over.

We do our bit turning up every week, maybe the players should do the same.

[Greg1882]

We do our bit turning up every week, maybe the players should do the same.

This . Not only do they get paid money that you and I can only dream of its also the decent thing to do . Qpr is a good club and these players are poncing off of it . Players like barton talk the talk but ultimately they hold the clubs immediate future in their hands . Time to stop talking about philosophy and start rolling their ####ing sleeves up . They put the effort in and the fans WILL respond . They always do . It really is that simple

[brightonr]

Im at literally every home match and try to go to as many away matches as my uni coursework schedule allows me to. I may have misphrased what I said about heart and that probably wasn't the word but people have given up alot more easily than they should have. Don't make random suggestions about my use of stats just because it suits your arguments. I go to a game, come back, have a think about what I saw, look at the stats and try and see where we went wrong, what we can improve on and where we are going right. Just because I'm not fervently ranting and raving about each and every thing we did wrong, doesn't mean I don't notice and analyse it.

I'm not going to question your use of stats Nasser, as they form part of a perfectly valid way of justifying an opinion, regardless of whether or not others may agree. Ultimately though, the most relevant stats indicate that unless things take a very drastic change of course, we will be relegated again.

I certainly don't wish to sound condescending to you or anybody else, but I suppose the older we get and the extra years of watching the Rangers, the less we are inclined to bend over backwards in being supportive of some of these characters.

First and foremost and you'll have to trust me on this one, but the Rangers players of today are nowhere close to being as committed to the club and the fans as they were 30-40 years ago. Obviously, the world has changed a lot, but many of us remember just how desperate some of them were to be the best that they could. I see very little of that attitude amongst the current shower of money motivated individuals. If they were working that that hard to be better, then surely we would have seen some marked improvement by now, as opposed to watching them make the same basic mistakes week after week.

The players are not alone though. We have unfortunately had to endure Mr Redknapp, (the bloke with one FA Cup win against a lower division team to show for his 30 years of experience), failing abysmally in assembling a well balanced squad, due to his apalling lack of understanding of what is required in the modern game. I don't doubt his passion for the game he loves for one moment, I just don't think he is any good as a manager.

The owners are as much to blame as anybody else, for allowing things to get this bad. It's not as if the signs of what was to come haven't been clear to many of us for a while now. They just come out with the usual nonsense though, which is then repeated by the management team and subsequently by the playing staff.

I'm sure we would be better off as a club if Jamie Mackie was being average instead of Hoilett and SWP being dreadful. If our youngsters had been given experience in the Championship, as opposed to bringing in the likes of BAE, Ben Haim and Benayoun. Or bringing in other clubs' youngsters and misfits such as Will Keane and Modibo Maiga.

It's really hard to think of much we have done well in recent years, due to no other reason than going about things in completely the wrong way.

Very depressing times for all of us and getting to the stage it would seem, of being too much to bear for a growing number.

[upperloft]

I'm not going to question your use of stats Nasser, as they form part of a perfectly valid way of justifying an opinion, regardless of whether or not others may agree. Ultimately though, the most relevant stats indicate that unless things take a very drastic change of course, we will be relegated again.

I certainly don't wish to sound condescending to you or anybody else, but I suppose the older we get and the extra years of watching the Rangers, the less we are inclined to bend over backwards in being supportive of some of these characters.

First and foremost and you'll have to trust me on this one, but the Rangers players of today are nowhere close to being as committed to the club and the fans as they were 30-40 years ago. Obviously, the world has changed a lot, but many of us remember just how desperate some of them were to be the best that they could. I see very little of that attitude amongst the current shower of money motivated individuals. If they were working that that hard to be better, then surely we would have seen some marked improvement by now, as opposed to watching them make the same basic mistakes week after week.

The players are not alone though. We have unfortunately had to endure Mr Redknapp, (the bloke with one FA Cup win against a lower division team to show for his 30 years of experience), failing abysmally in assembling a well balanced squad, due to his apalling lack of understanding of what is required in the modern game. I don't doubt his passion for the game he loves for one moment, I just don't think he is any good as a manager.

The owners are as much to blame as anybody else, for allowing things to get this bad. It's not as if the signs of what was to come haven't been clear to many of us for a while now. They just come out with the usual nonsense though, which is then repeated by the management team and subsequently by the playing staff.

I'm sure we would be better off as a club if Jamie Mackie was being average instead of Hoilett and SWP being dreadful. If our youngsters had been given experience in the Championship, as opposed to bringing in the likes of BAE, Ben Haim and Benayoun. Or bringing in other clubs' youngsters and misfits such as Will Keane and Modibo Maiga.

It's really hard to think of much we have done well in recent years, due to no other reason than going about things in completely the wrong way.

Very depressing times for all of us and getting to the stage it would seem, of being too much to bear for a growing number.

Excellent post, not sure bout the Jamie Mackie bit. He is better than SWP and Hoilett but I'm not sure we would be in a better position with him. I Get the point.

[Yousef]

Palace game has given me 99.9% assurance we will go down.

[Yousef]

Appreciate your thoughts, however, on performances alone, I have already given up. The players are not trying enough and looks doomed. Ant they are the ones that matters most.

I would rephrase that to "The players are not good enough".

[West Acton]

I'm not going to question your use of stats Nasser, as they form part of a perfectly valid way of justifying an opinion, regardless of whether or not others may agree. Ultimately though, the most relevant stats indicate that unless things take a very drastic change of course, we will be relegated again.

I certainly don't wish to sound condescending to you or anybody else, but I suppose the older we get and the extra years of watching the Rangers, the less we are inclined to bend over backwards in being supportive of some of these characters.

First and foremost and you'll have to trust me on this one, but the Rangers players of today are nowhere close to being as committed to the club and the fans as they were 30-40 years ago. Obviously, the world has changed a lot, but many of us remember just how desperate some of them were to be the best that they could. I see very little of that attitude amongst the current shower of money motivated individuals. If they were working that that hard to be better, then surely we would have seen some marked improvement by now, as opposed to watching them make the same basic mistakes week after week.

The players are not alone though. We have unfortunately had to endure Mr Redknapp, (the bloke with one FA Cup win against a lower division team to show for his 30 years of experience), failing abysmally in assembling a well balanced squad, due to his apalling lack of understanding of what is required in the modern game. I don't doubt his passion for the game he loves for one moment, I just don't think he is any good as a manager.

The owners are as much to blame as anybody else, for allowing things to get this bad. It's not as if the signs of what was to come haven't been clear to many of us for a while now. They just come out with the usual nonsense though, which is then repeated by the management team and subsequently by the playing staff.

I'm sure we would be better off as a club if Jamie Mackie was being average instead of Hoilett and SWP being dreadful. If our youngsters had been given experience in the Championship, as opposed to bringing in the likes of BAE, Ben Haim and Benayoun. Or bringing in other clubs' youngsters and misfits such as Will Keane and Modibo Maiga.

It's really hard to think of much we have done well in recent years, due to no other reason than going about things in completely the wrong way.

Very depressing times for all of us and getting to the stage it would seem, of being too much to bear for a growing number.

Good post. For years now we have just drifted when given the enthusiasm of the owners and the money they have we should have had a proper opportunity to put some proper foundations in to build upon for years to come. Totally wasted years from our first promotion.

What I would also add is I think to some extent QPR is a lucky club (no matter what some suggest) as the first promotion if were being honest that team/squad should not have won the league or even made the play offs last season again we imploded and other then Bobby we were dead lucky to get up. We are also lucky to have the owners we have but they now need to stop the last minute.com running of the club and put a proper strategy in, perhaps the fact we decided not to spend in Jan is a sign that the penny has dropped and this will happen going forwards. Im not against spending money and buying players but if we’re going to do it make sure we have done our homework on the player and that he’s the right man for us not just signing the likes of Mutch who is pony but he ticks the young box very poor player and signing.

As Brights says all very depressing and cant see it improving this season

[Yousef]

and Barton's behavior against Hull shows he doesn't care. I don't care about what he says.