One of the current bottom three will escape relegation...

[West Acton]

I never chose QPR QPR chose me after I stepped into the ground for the first time

As said above going school when everyone was Liverpool united arsenal or spurs fans was tough but as rangers fans you suck it up and get on with it. You don't support QPR for the glory you support us because its what we do

If we go down I'm still going to go just as I will if we stop up.

There are loads of views from rich, facto, V, bush and Wycombe some you agree with some you don't but its life

[vblockranger]

Nasser with the greatest of respect your a clown and I am sure I don't just speak for myself when I say go f uck yourself. You have a habit of talking down to people and thinking your in the right and know it all with your b ollocks stats which actually make you look like a bit of a prat.

So you my friend go and support Chelsea or man utd or bash some more meaniless stats out on your calculater you prize k nobhead.

I will happily debate with Richard and take his views on board as he is a poster I respect and enjoy reading although we have disagreed before on topics but you I can not take seriously although I have tried you rear cavity

If I have offended anyone with the above I apologise and i accept any punishment admin dish out but I was brought up with the saying if it looks like a t urd and smells like a t urd the chances are it is a t urd and you Nasser are a steaming one

Post of the farkin year!

[Shepherds Mush]

The definition of a fan is someone who supports the team regardless of what is happening. It means not giving up when everything is against us. Wembley showed that the underdogs can pull it out of the bag, why should we accept fans who have already prepared themselves for the worst? That is not what a fan does. If you want to be a realist and enjoy being a fan, support chelsea or man city. at QPR, we know we aren't great but one thing we never do is give up and it is embarrassing for me as a fan to see people doing that when things could be a lot worse.

I believe we are going down because I am a realist / pessimist but that doesn't stop me supporting the team, cheering them on and shouting encouragement at every game. My opinion on us going down is separate to my actions when following the team and you are an idiot if you think people cannot separate the 2.

[nasser95]

Fair point Kevin but I've been here since '63 so I don't need a knob like Nasser telling me that if I hold the views I do that I shouls support Scum or Man Utd. He talks about faith etc. but I've kept that when we were really crap over the years. I hated going to school the first time we were in the top flight, the only R in my year. Nasser hasn't got a clue how much this latest #### up hurts.

You don't think I have a clue? Listen, because of the fact that I remain positive and expecting us to stay up, people give me far too much cr*p about that. I have to deal with it on a regular not just on here so you will excuse me if i feel a bit hard done by having to be told by other QPR fans that I shouldn't support my own team, when I already have to deal with that from everyone else in the farking outside world. 3 different periods of my life I have been the only ranger, not just in this country, but abroad and I always came out of it converting others to the rangers cause. Why? because I can show a bit of steel and passion and pride no matter what I see. I don't care if people think I am overboard with the happiness and the 'rose tinted spectacles' because that is who I am. I personally feel that being overly supportive and positive about your own team is better than being totally and utterly negative about them. It shows people that you still care and it gives people a positive impression of the club that people who criticise and complain about what happens can't offer. So you will excuse me if I want to give the team all of my support and let it hurt me if sh'it hits the fan. Right now, 4 points between us and the second worst team in the league at the moment with the hardest run in. 3 points against the 3rd worst. You know why you lot are in envy of Burnley? Because their fans always support them regardless of the sh'it on the pitch. Why can't some people here do the same? or at least let the people like me do the same.

As for West, I can't really see how you can just come out with half the sh'it you put on that post. I haven't used stats much for a long time on here, so I don't know why you are getting ####y about it just because these are numbers that define something on a pitch. Just because they show something that you don't want to see or believe, doesn't mean you should criticise the use of them. Its also a bit unnecessary to bring it up here since I never mentioned it on this thread. I will always support rangers and if you can't hack the fact that someone like me supports your club, then ignore it. It is really that easy. My point was that if you were going to get upset about everything and then just make the claim that you are a realist because you think we will get relegated, then maybe supporting a team like that isn't great. You know you can't keep winning the championship year after year, you have to settle in the prem and gradually develop and I think that is what most people want from this club.
Ofcourse things don't look great now but they aren't as bad as some people here will have you believe. If someone came on here without seeing the prem table this season, they would have you think we have 2 points and were on course for another deduction. We are 4 points from safety and we have plenty of time. The teams around us are there for a reason. All it takes is one moment to change everything. I still firmly hold the belief in the miracles of loftus road. This club has offered me so much as a fan that I will not accept anything until the end and I'm damn sure happy to keep myself that way.

[bushkangaroo]

One thing I can say. If one or more of the bottom 3 gets out of the mess we won't. That means Burnley and/or Leicester. Very hard to see us getting even 1 point in total from the Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City games. I think we will need at least 5 wins out of the other 6. I think it is most likely we'll need 38 points to stay up, though 37 could be enough. Fancy Hull, Villa, even Sunderland to reach 37 points. GD may be vital as to which of those clubs survive. I think getting another 12-13 points will be a very good achievement for us from now on in. My guess is we'll get 10 more points.

[Rangers77]

Nasser with the greatest of respect your a clown and I am sure I don't just speak for myself when I say go f uck yourself. You have a habit of talking down to people and thinking your in the right and know it all with your b ollocks stats which actually make you look like a bit of a prat.

So you my friend go and support Chelsea or man utd or bash some more meaniless stats out on your calculater you prize k nobhead.

I will happily debate with Richard and take his views on board as he is a poster I respect and enjoy reading although we have disagreed before on topics but you I can not take seriously although I have tried you rear cavity

If I have offended anyone with the above I apologise and i accept any punishment admin dish out but I was brought up with the saying if it looks like a t urd and smells like a t urd the chances are it is a t urd and you Nasser are a steaming one

Stuck at home with flu, but that really made me laugh. Thanks, West. He hasn't been banned, has he Mods?

[march56]

...according to history.


http://news.bwin.com/en/football-bet...rop,70901.html

Not us unfortunately!

[Shepherds Mush]

You know why you lot are in envy of Burnley?

Yes. Because:

1. They actually have a decent side
2. They have a superb manager
3. They have a production line of quality strikers (Fletcher, Austin, Rodriguez, Ings, Vokes)
4. They are run properly by the owners

[stanistheman]

We can rule ourselves out, we're shite.

QPR are more likely finish bottom again rather than climb out of the bottom 3, especially with Ramsey in charge.

[Rangers77]

Yes. Because:

1. They actually have a decent side
2. They have a superb manager
3. They have a production line of quality strikers (Fletcher, Austin, Rodriguez, Ings, Vokes)
4. They are run properly by the owners

This. Properly run club. No prima donnas. And, in my experience, really nice fans.

[stanistheman]

QPR have lost 8 out of the last 9 games and been crap away from home all season, so what makes anyone think that there will be a huge turnaround and QPR will win 5 from the remaining 9 games?

There is no doubt that the defence is crap.
The midfield lacks creativity and goals (even more so without the injured Fer).
Also there are not enough goals in attack apart from Austin.
Zarate is capable of scoring a few goals, but cannot seem to get a game. Vargas is not a good goal scorer. Ditto for Zamora.
Taarabt is so unfit it is unreal that this is even an issue in mid March given that he hasn't actually had a major injury to deal with.

How will this team manage to even win 2 more fixtures I do not know. Ramsey certainly doesn't seem able to galvanise, organise or motivate them. His post match interview showed just how out of his depth he is and how much he is in denial over QPR failings with his comments about Bolasie and Zaha only breaching QPR's 'defence' twice.

[march56]

Can't see us winning another game maybe a couple of draws but that's it!

[Shepherds Mush]

Can't see us winning another game maybe a couple of draws but that's it!

We don't do draws!

I cant see another point this season but then to be honest, I cant see THE point of this season!

[vblockranger]

4th sh1t season on the trot so its all becoming a bit predictable. Go down, stay up, dont give a #### anymore. The club has changed for the worse last few years.

[West Acton]

You don't think I have a clue? Listen, because of the fact that I remain positive and expecting us to stay up, people give me far too much cr*p about that. I have to deal with it on a regular not just on here so you will excuse me if i feel a bit hard done by having to be told by other QPR fans that I shouldn't support my own team, when I already have to deal with that from everyone else in the farking outside world. 3 different periods of my life I have been the only ranger, not just in this country, but abroad and I always came out of it converting others to the rangers cause. Why? because I can show a bit of steel and passion and pride no matter what I see. I don't care if people think I am overboard with the happiness and the 'rose tinted spectacles' because that is who I am. I personally feel that being overly supportive and positive about your own team is better than being totally and utterly negative about them. It shows people that you still care and it gives people a positive impression of the club that people who criticise and complain about what happens can't offer. So you will excuse me if I want to give the team all of my support and let it hurt me if sh'it hits the fan. Right now, 4 points between us and the second worst team in the league at the moment with the hardest run in. 3 points against the 3rd worst. You know why you lot are in envy of Burnley? Because their fans always support them regardless of the sh'it on the pitch. Why can't some people here do the same? or at least let the people like me do the same.

As for West, I can't really see how you can just come out with half the sh'it you put on that post. I haven't used stats much for a long time on here, so I don't know why you are getting ####y about it just because these are numbers that define something on a pitch. Just because they show something that you don't want to see or believe, doesn't mean you should criticise the use of them. Its also a bit unnecessary to bring it up here since I never mentioned it on this thread. I will always support rangers and if you can't hack the fact that someone like me supports your club, then ignore it. It is really that easy. My point was that if you were going to get upset about everything and then just make the claim that you are a realist because you think we will get relegated, then maybe supporting a team like that isn't great. You know you can't keep winning the championship year after year, you have to settle in the prem and gradually develop and I think that is what most people want from this club.
Ofcourse things don't look great now but they aren't as bad as some people here will have you believe. If someone came on here without seeing the prem table this season, they would have you think we have 2 points and were on course for another deduction. We are 4 points from safety and we have plenty of time. The teams around us are there for a reason. All it takes is one moment to change everything. I still firmly hold the belief in the miracles of loftus road. This club has offered me so much as a fan that I will not accept anything until the end and I'm damn sure happy to keep myself that way.

There you go again with the 'poor me poor me' act your not the only Rangers fan who is upset by the current position we find ourselves however you seem to think your the only one suffering and your hurt is way in advance of anyone else's. You take offense to anyone who wants to speak out, have their say on the position we find ourselves and who expresses a view that were going down its like a red rag to a bull to you and you have to come back with c rap about the individuals being negative, not true fans and that they should support another club.

Who the hell do you think you are to tell another fan to do one and support another club what makes you think you support the club or have more passion about it then me or any other poster or supporter. Just because I don't have my head in the sand and can see how the season is going to end don't mean I don't support the club and want the team to prove me wrong and that is why I class you as a fool.

No one is criticising your passion or steel (whatever the f uck that means) or that your some Rangers equivalent of an ISIS convertor wherever you are but that don't give you the right to expect everyone to conform to your views and be super positive simply because Nasser dictates that's how things should be.

The fact you actually say you get dug out away from this board just proves your prat and you seriously need to take a look at yourself as from what your saying its not just this board that you put noses out of joint. And being super positive don't actually help the club and wont make the slightest bit of difference!!! although it might make you feel better. Sometimes the best course of action is to ask bleeding questions as by doing so you get the bleeding answer to the problem, burying your head making out that the stats say something totally different to what we can all see with our eyes and pretending everything is peachy is counterproductive and will result in our demise and relegation. Asking questions of the club keeps them on their toes and might result in them addressing concerns both on and off the pitch

As for not using stats recently thank f uck you got the message as for about a month you bombarded us with absolute s hit which had no resemblance to what we were witnessing on the pitch and as said in my view you made a right fool of yourself hence why I wont take you seriously. You try convincing us Sandro will be our saviour and we don't concede when he is on the pitch failing to remember he is injured more then he plays and when he did play sat we shipped three (Im Sandro fan by the way) you tried to convince me we played well at Everton because of your f ucking stats when I watched the game with my two eyes and we were as dire as we had been in any of our other away efforts. You kept banging the drum that from the Burnley game onwards our away form was miraculously going to improve overnight well it has not!!!! are you getting the picture, you say alot but the vast majority of it is BULL

And what do you mean by 'if you can't hack the fact that someone like me supports your club' what are you suggesting I don't know you from adam my impression of you is that you are a clown but that's based solely on how you portray yourself on this board you might be a decent enough chap I have no idea; others on this board will love you and hate me its life. And its not MY club its OUR club that's something you should try remembering as that's why you come across so condescending as you preach and speak about Rangers like your the divine knowledge and your views hold a higher weighting then anyone else hence why if you tell everyone to be positive we should all bow down!! well this man wont be conforming and just saying what you want to hear so your happy its never going to happen.

As for not being as bad as people make out how much worse can it get? Villa in a month have managed to do a 9point swing on us, since boxing day (13matches) we have won one game, Sunderland aside the sides we are competing with are picking up the odd win here and there keeping there heads above water and pulling away, were in huge debt, we have no manager, the man in charge temporarily is doing a disastrous job (not his fault) I could go on so please tell me how are things not as bad as some make out????

No one is asking you to change, far from it but don't feel the need to force your views down everyones throat because they have lost the belief and don't tell fans to go and support other clubs again because they are not as positive as you who the hell do you think you are saying that? what gives you the right to question other fans loyalty who regardless of results continue to put their hands in their pockets give up their time and travel the country watching the shower of s hit which they are serving up to us week in week out. Yes no one forces us to do it but you have no right to question a good proportion of us.

So you keep the blinkers on Nasser, keep crunching the numbers, counting the passes and shots comparing the possession stats and me and others will keep an eye on what really matters which is the score after 90mins and if we have gone another week failing to pick up points because we continue to make basic errors (which you wont allow us to highlight and debate as apparently its negative!!!)

You strike me as the type of guy who would turn a blind eye to his misses being slipped everyday by another guy and you would be ok with this as long as she came home and slept in your bed every night as she must still be in love with me