Totally confused

[Bill]

Isla....maybe, seen them given. The handball? too close so no pen for me.

even when the ball is going in the net.....sorry disagree with you on this one

[vblockranger]

even when the ball is going in the net.....sorry disagree with you on this one

Fair enough mate but i just thought he was too close for it to be a pen (although tbf i havent watched MOTD tonight to see it in slo mo)

[Bill]

Fair enough mate but i just thought he was too close for it to be a pen (although tbf i havent watched MOTD tonight to see it in slo mo)

This is the point there is no clear rule about this and other issues,there are just too many grey areas

[nasser95]

Both were stonewall pen's. Isla is in on an open goal if no contact is made there and Austin's shot is going in. Even though bentaleb was close, his hands were raised and in an unnatural position.

[Garyd73]

Isla was caught but it wasn't a blood an thunder challenge and I could see how that could easily be missed, I think he was looking for it.

The handball wasn't a penalty for me as the players were right next to each other and I'm not sure I accept the 'unnatural position' argument. Try playing football with your arms tied to your body, it's impossible, if defenders are going to move quickly for a block sometimes your arms come up.

Green should have been sent off about a month ago at the beginning of a game for the most blatant handball I have seen in a very long time and the referee and linesman both missed it so it goes in our favour sometimes.

Whatever you think of the decisions I think most of us have seen many many replays now and there still isn't a consensus on if either were penalties so the ref's with only one view at full speed with players all around them have an even harder job. I would like the commentators to give there verdict on a decision on seeing it live before any replays are shown and lets see how many they get right.

[nasser95]

Isla was caught but it wasn't a blood an thunder challenge and I could see how that could easily be missed, I think he was looking for it.

The handball wasn't a penalty for me as the players were right next to each other and I'm not sure I accept the 'unnatural position' argument. Try playing football with your arms tied to your body, it's impossible, if defenders are going to move quickly for a block sometimes your arms come up.

Green should have been sent off about a month ago at the beginning of a game for the most blatant handball I have seen in a very long time and the referee and linesman both missed it so it goes in our favour sometimes.

Whatever you think of the decisions I think most of us have seen many many replays now and there still isn't a consensus on if either were penalties so the ref's with only one view at full speed with players all around them have an even harder job. I would like the commentators to give there verdict on a decision on seeing it live before any replays are shown and lets see how many they get right.

Don't think it really is a debatable thing. Both were clear penalties. If you are gonna be defending in the box, you cannot raise your arms and not expect repercussions when the ball strikes your hand, it is that simple. If the arm is clearly blocking the path of the ball into the goal, a penalty must be awarded. It shouldn't be up for debate, it just is the case.

For the isla one, again, it is a 100 percent penalty and there should be no question as to that being a penalty. He clearly gets none of the ball and the ref has a decision to make, either book isla for simulation or book or send off the keeper for fouling him. You cannot be allowed to let that happen the way it did. That is embarrassing refereeing.

Also, saying there isn't a consensus on if either were penalties is wrong because just about everyone except you and maybe one or two others have said anything otherwise. At full speed, me and 16 to 17000 rangers fans saw both as a clear pen and none of us were on the pitch. Spurs fans saw them as pens and even the best of the best pundits saw them as pens so there is no debate here.

[Billericay*icky]

personally, i'm baffled as to how he couldn't give the isla pen. lloris misses the ball, catches the player, denies a clear scoring opportunity... it's a clear cut pen (not so clear cut whether it's a red or yellow card... red for me)

the zamora holding... yeah, i'd say penalty, but if it was against us, i'd be going on about 'you never see them given'

the handball, for me, is clear... ok, it's close, but the dude's hands are raised... he's making himself big. no penalty is a very generous decision.

but... y'know, the not-given-corner after 30 seconds is a terrible decision. even worse for me was zamora's yellow. he does very little, mason has a tantrum and has a bit of afters/handbags... the ref books zamora and takes no action against mason.

spuds weren't on their game today... but their 12th man ensured that they didn't drop points.

I totally agree with all of that - I don't think I've ever been as angry after a match than yesterday. Perhaps in the Championship next season we might be seen as the 'big club' and get all the decisions, but don't hold your breath...

[vblockranger]

Don't think it really is a debatable thing.

Oh yes it most certainly is and this is the right place to do it. You have to accept other peoples views and opinions even though they are the direct opposite of your own. Both not clear cut pens for me either.

[Nick]

Oh yes it most certainly is and this is the right place to do it. You have to accept other peoples views and opinions even though they are the direct opposite of your own. Both not clear cut pens for me either.

Second penalty shout... shot was going in but was blocked by the defenders hands. Wasnt a case of 'ball to hand' as he brought his hand up to the ball so obviously a case of 'hand to ball'. If the shot was going wide then theres a case of no penalty. But the fact is the ball was on target and heading straight for the back of the net, but the player brings his hands up and stops this from happening..... stone wall penalty imo.... but like you say V its all about opinions on here and to some that doesnt count as a penalty. Just a shame the ref also doesnt know the rules and also thinks its not a penalty.

[vblockranger]

Second penalty shout... shot was going in but was blocked by the defenders hands. Wasnt a case of 'ball to hand' as he brought his hand up to the ball so obviously a case of 'hand to ball'. If the shot was going wide then theres a case of no penalty. But the fact is the ball was on target and heading straight for the back of the net, but the player brings his hands up and stops this from happening..... stone wall penalty imo.... but like you say V its all about opinions on here and to some that doesnt count as a penalty. Just a shame the ref also doesnt know the rules and also thinks its not a penalty.

Maybe Nick on the second penalty shout as seen them given but the fact is that some people seem to think that we lost the game because of not getting it when actually we lost the game because yet again our defending was clownish and we didn't take our chances after a decent start to the match. Same old story of the season so far in regards to our defence.