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  • #31
    Originally posted by Kevin Mcleod View Post
    Slow down a bit, you are making them sound like soton. They are both in the sh it with us and both very likely to go straight back down as well.
    Haha making them sound like Soton?!!.. Yeah they are both in it but so is everyone up to 12th. Us and Hull are probably the worst off right now and the least likely to survive and I base that on the strengths we have to the teams around us.

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    • #32
      I voted that a new manager can save us. Not that I want to get rid of Harry, but I cant see that he gets the best out of Our team and players at all.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by West London is Rss View Post
        Haha making them sound like Soton?!!.. Yeah they are both in it but so is everyone up to 12th. Us and Hull are probably the worst off right now and the least likely to survive and I base that on the strengths we have to the teams around us.
        Cant disagree with that.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by alleyhoops View Post
          We have a decent squad. If we get someone to come in able to motivate and play players in their proper positions, we'll be fine. Much better shape than two years ago, a little later in the season though.


          Excatly!!! With a few additions to the excisting Squad, I agree 100 %.
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          • #35
            You need a straight "No" answer

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            • #36
              Originally posted by West London is Rss View Post
              Haha making them sound like Soton?!!.. Yeah they are both in it but so is everyone up to 12th. Us and Hull are probably the worst off right now and the least likely to survive and I base that on the strengths we have to the teams around us.
              I love how you actually ignored the point itself that Kevin was trying to make. We are no worse off than Burnley or Leicester. Every team has dips in form and rises in form. Look at leicester, who are only on 2 away wins and a few games ago, were on only one. One lucky result away from home, one cheeky deflection off a defender and all of a sudden the away sheet looks better and can improve over time. Burnley are no more well equipped to survive, neither are leicester nor Hull and certainly not villa, who I fully expect to be in danger. I honestly can't see the honeymoon period lasting too long for Palace or west brom, although I think west brom will just about survive. And no matter how good everton may look on paper, there is something very odd about their goings on and I feel like they could be in it alot more than they or anyone thinks.
              "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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              • #37
                I think we were doing quite well, even with our dismissal away record. Its the last three games (Palace, Swansea and Burnley) that somehow we lost our way. We must work harder against teams in the relegation scrap and avoid stupid mistakes.

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                • #38
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                  Originally posted by nasser95 View Post
                  I love how you actually ignored the point itself that Kevin was trying to make. We are no worse off than Burnley or Leicester. Every team has dips in form and rises in form. Look at leicester, who are only on 2 away wins and a few games ago, were on only one. One lucky result away from home, one cheeky deflection off a defender and all of a sudden the away sheet looks better and can improve over time. Burnley are no more well equipped to survive, neither are leicester nor Hull and certainly not villa, who I fully expect to be in danger. I honestly can't see the honeymoon period lasting too long for Palace or west brom, although I think west brom will just about survive. And no matter how good everton may look on paper, there is something very odd about their goings on and I feel like they could be in it alot more than they or anyone thinks.
                  Since 27th November, they have won only one game out of twelve.

                  And that was their bye against us.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by brightonr View Post
                    K

                    Since 27th November, they have won only one game out of twelve.

                    And that was their bye against us.
                    Exactly, they are still playing the sort of football they love playing but they are not defending at all. Some of it has been worse than ours. I really do think they will be under the same pressure most relegation facing sides will feel.
                    "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Martinmalta View Post
                      I think we were doing quite well, even with our dismissal away record. Its the last three games (Palace, Swansea and Burnley) that somehow we lost our way. We must work harder against teams in the relegation scrap and avoid stupid mistakes.
                      I wouldn't be as worried if we didn't have a lot of hard home games the rest of the way. We have to start picking up points away and last week was a game where we should have. Just the lack of confidence on the road is mind numbing.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by nasser95 View Post
                        I love how you actually ignored the point itself that Kevin was trying to make. We are no worse off than Burnley or Leicester. Every team has dips in form and rises in form. Look at leicester, who are only on 2 away wins and a few games ago, were on only one. One lucky result away from home, one cheeky deflection off a defender and all of a sudden the away sheet looks better and can improve over time. Burnley are no more well equipped to survive, neither are leicester nor Hull and certainly not villa, who I fully expect to be in danger. I honestly can't see the honeymoon period lasting too long for Palace or west brom, although I think west brom will just about survive. And no matter how good everton may look on paper, there is something very odd about their goings on and I feel like they could be in it alot more than they or anyone thinks.
                        I don't ignore anyone's point so please don't tell me I do. Every team has dips in form but I would hardly call what we have a 'dip in form' would you?.. Players don't know their jobs, there is no style of play going forward if Zamora is not on the pitch and we have a manager that doesn't know his best 11 and has lost 10 away from home on the bounce.

                        Burnley and Leicester are more equipped and I will tell you why.... They have a TEAM. And good tactical managers... They have also won games away from home.
                        Ourselves and Hull are the lesser equipped teams to survive IMO.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by West London is Rss View Post
                          I don't ignore anyone's point so please don't tell me I do. Every team has dips in form but I would hardly call what we have a 'dip in form' would you?.. Players don't know their jobs, there is no style of play going forward if Zamora is not on the pitch and we have a manager that doesn't know his best 11 and has lost 10 away from home on the bounce.

                          Burnley and Leicester are more equipped and I will tell you why.... They have a TEAM. And good tactical managers... They have also won games away from home.
                          Ourselves and Hull are the lesser equipped teams to survive IMO.
                          Ours is absolutely a dip in form, look at our last six matches, we went from 2 wins and a loss to 2 draws and a loss, thats it. Their managers are not tactical in any way, you are very mistaken there. They are both harry redknapp's in the making, purely motivational managers. I have seen Dyche's 'tactical' setup and it is no better than ours, players out of position etc, the difference is that he is a young motivator as opposed to an old motivator. He knows what his players want to hear and applies it. He is not tactical.
                          "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                          • #43
                            Interesting that a good news post about Charlie boy getting Prem league player of the month gets just three posts in a couple of hours.
                            That tells you a lot about our forums.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by CroydonCaptainJack View Post
                              Interesting that a good news post about Charlie boy getting Prem league player of the month gets just three posts in a couple of hours.
                              That tells you a lot about our forums.
                              "What stats allow you to do is not take things at face value. The idea that I trust my eyes more than the stats, I just don't buy that because I've seen magicians pull rabbits out of hats and I know I just know that rabbit's not in there." - Billy Beane

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by nasser95 View Post
                                Ours is absolutely a dip in form, look at our last six matches, we went from 2 wins and a loss to 2 draws and a loss, thats it. Their managers are not tactical in any way, you are very mistaken there. They are both harry redknapp's in the making, purely motivational managers. I have seen Dyche's 'tactical' setup and it is no better than ours, players out of position etc, the difference is that he is a young motivator as opposed to an old motivator. He knows what his players want to hear and applies it. He is not tactical.
                                A dip in form?!!! hahahahaaaa.. we've lost TEN yes TEN away games in a row! What did we have at the start of the season then when we kept losing, was that 'a dip in form' as well.. when you continually lose more games then win, then it is not a dip in form Nasser. Dyche and Pearson are HR's in the making? Really!.. They've done what they have done/doing on half the budget HR has had? Your showing them no respect calling them 'motivational managers'. They have assembled a team and a style of play, which is far more than HR has done and is something they deserve a lot more respect for.

                                Nasser I cant continue this debate because with all due respect you clearly have no idea what you are talking about by claiming that all Sean Dyche and Nigel Pearson are, is motivational speakers.. Sean Dyche assembled a team that ####ed all over us in the Champ with a League 1 budget! His tactical set up is far better than us! All his player know their jobs, all of ours fvcking don't! They work harder, they get the ball into wide areas and deliver quickly... They have a player in their team that has run the most out of any player this season, in the top 5 leagues in Europe.

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