Who would own a football club...?

[Fozzieboy]

Very good post... I agree that Tony has given us all what he can !! He has thrown money at the club, brought in high profile while showed the fans lots of respect. Personally in time he will become a great leader of this club. However he needs to learn from the mistakes.

IT is also fair to accept financially we are set to be at best a Championship club, our fan base is ok but not massive, our ground is small and to be fair out of date and we do not have world wide appeal. So the long term success of QPR needs them things in place bigger stadium, bigger fan base and increase appeal. These will need International stars of quality and to stay in the premiership.

One other point... I have even noticed people moaning about how long the stadium is taking !! Shocking !! We are a LONDON club which if we look at others Tottenham, Chelsea, West Ham they have all struggled to make this work. Unless we do a Wimbledon and move to the middle of the country??

I would not be surprised if Tony walked!! I am not sure I have the staying power he has !

[surrey_hoop]

This obsession with youngish managers is doing my head in.....don't youngish managers f**k up then?...don't they get fired?...do they know everything?...f**kin ridiculous

It isn't an obsession, it's an obvious requirement for a club in our position - what exactly was the point in employing Redknapp at (then) 65, knowing that he could (and will) leave us within a few years? We essentially consigned ourselves to surviving from one transfer market to the next, knowing that Redknapp would want instant gratification, due to his lack of desire in actually building a football club - that is an age issue. The bloke is past retirement age, so no-one should be surprised that he wants to call it a day and has all but run out of passion for the job. A young (albeit proven) manager will be given (and more importantly want) a few seasons to make their mark on the club, which is exactly what we need if we are to build solid foundations. Hardly f*cking ridiculous, it's common sense.

Oh and you're right, young managers do f*ck up and get fired - that's why you're supposed to hire the good ones.

[QPRDave]

Surrey you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think any manager (young or old) will be given a few seasons to make their mark......
The reason i think it's f-ing ridiculous is this assumption that because the manager is young he will be tactically brilliant,.......Alex Ferguson?

[surrey_hoop]

Surrey you're in cloud cuckoo land if you think any manager (young or old) will be given a few seasons to make their mark......
The reason i think it's f-ing ridiculous is this assumption that because the manager is young he will be tactically brilliant,.......Alex Ferguson?

Isn't that more of a damning indictment of modern football than anything else? My point is simple - we have to break this attitude of short-termism, and essentially surviving from one transfer market to another. See my post above on how to achieve this.

I never said that any potential candidate would need to be tactically brilliant. That is also quite an ironic argument, given that we have the oldest manager in the league, and he has proven himself to be the most tactically inept by a country mile.

[QPRDave]

Please explain where arry is tactically inept

[Kirill]

This board has dome wonders for this club, they will write off the debt thats so clear.

How is that clear? Explain it as if you were talking to a thick foreigner

[Hitman34]

Yes I know it is meant to be the ultimate toy for the billionaire who has everything, but actually if you are a Fernandes rather than an Abramovich I'm not so sure.

Reading through multiple threads on here fans want completely contradictory things.

We have one thread with people heaping blame on him for the £170m debt.

We also have multiple threads urging him to splash money on this or that player.

The excuse is "this time we are desperate". Well, we have been desperate ever other transfer window he has been here too, either to get promoted or avoid relegation.

We have been playing one long game of catch up ever since he arrived when we were promoted with an average Championship squad and one complete maverick and unreliable genius.

We say he was naive about Hughes and now we say he was naive about Redknapp - with justification imho.

But both appointments were overwhelmingly popular, as were all but a handful of signings.

They haven't worked out, we have made mistake after mistake, the board are naive, the coaching staff seemingly inept, the manager past retirement age with little obvious passion - all of that is true.

But rather as a fan base screaming and blaming can't we be big enough to admit we would have done much the same at each step of the way?

And now, admit it is actually an INCREDIBLY hard decision to stick or twist with no right answer?

Ed the ball is starting up fc qpr. would be good to hear his imput on your points raised.

[Kevin Mcleod]

How is that clear? Explain it as if you were talking to a thick foreigner

Because they wont be able to get it back as we havent got anything and are not or ever will be worth 170 million.
Its on parr with lending a score to a crack head. They have paid it out of their own money and know even when handing it over the crack heads on his toes never to be seen again till he needs another score. (or in their case another transfer window)
Are they charging the club any interest on the loan? Its just luck money. (very bad luck money for them)
Hope that clears it up, i know its a bit cockney, but i think its clear.

[Abseits]

How does that witty line go?....
Q. What's the fastest way to become a millionaire football club owner?
A. Start out as a BILLIONAIRE football club owner.
Wonder if TF's heard that one?��

[nasser95]

Yes I know it is meant to be the ultimate toy for the billionaire who has everything, but actually if you are a Fernandes rather than an Abramovich I'm not so sure.

Reading through multiple threads on here fans want completely contradictory things.

We have one thread with people heaping blame on him for the £170m debt.

We also have multiple threads urging him to splash money on this or that player.

The excuse is "this time we are desperate". Well, we have been desperate ever other transfer window he has been here too, either to get promoted or avoid relegation.

We have been playing one long game of catch up ever since he arrived when we were promoted with an average Championship squad and one complete maverick and unreliable genius.

We say he was naive about Hughes and now we say he was naive about Redknapp - with justification imho.

But both appointments were overwhelmingly popular, as were all but a handful of signings.

They haven't worked out, we have made mistake after mistake, the board are naive, the coaching staff seemingly inept, the manager past retirement age with little obvious passion - all of that is true.

But rather as a fan base screaming and blaming can't we be big enough to admit we would have done much the same at each step of the way?

And now, admit it is actually an INCREDIBLY hard decision to stick or twist with no right answer?

Thank goodness we have some heroes here like you Stainrod. This Is a huge thing to say and is the right thing to say. People here have too much pride to admit it, but everything done at a time was a popular decision. This board thrives off of hindsight.

[Kit]

Good posts Stainrod nice to read some reality posts ! TF has made mistakes yes but has been whole heartedly let down by 2 premium managers who have had success at other clubs and who should have done a lot better than they have with us !

[Kirill]

But rather as a fan base screaming and blaming can't we be big enough to admit we would have done much the same at each step of the way?

Not all of us, I (among others I am sure) never wanted us to go on this crazy spending spree once we were promoted. Maybe that is my Eastern European mentality, I don't know. I wanted us to get a few cheaper younger players without exorbitant wage demands but hungry for success, of course try and stay in the PL with them, but even if we got relegated we would still have had enough revenue left over not just to wipe off the debt but also to do really well in the Championship. Getting relegated under such circumstances would have left us still very confident - instead of this terrible quagmire-sinking feeling today.

[dsqpr]

Good OP. Tony has done what any businessman does: invest in his business. Unfortunately in football it is not easy to differentiate between a good investment and a bad one: TF was relying on the people who work for him to have that expertise and they have so far failed him. But so long as he stays the course he, and we, will eventually be successful.

[surrey_hoop]

Please explain where arry is tactically inept

Remember when we went 3-5-2, with a squad of players who had never played in that formation before? We took a couple of batterings as a result. As I say, inept.

[surrey_hoop]

Good OP. Tony has done what any businessman does: invest in his business. Unfortunately in football it is not easy to differentiate between a good investment and a bad one: TF was relying on the people who work for him to have that expertise and they have so far failed him. But so long as he stays the course he, and we, will eventually be successful.

Investment is fine. Investment beyond your means is a recipe for disaster. I also think it is easy to see a good deal in football when you see one - Austin for £4m and £30k a week was excellent business and never really a gamble; SWP for an undisclosed fee and on wages totaling £12m by the time his contract expires was absolutely ludicrous.

In terms of eventually being successful...I think we (and certainly TF) would've already expected success by now, at least relatively speaking i.e. an established mid table PL team. Personally, I don't share your faith that we will achieve success as long as TF stays the course. Regardless of the view of the fans at the time concerning players and managers, history has shown that he has made more bad decisions than good ones whilst in charge, and appears as naive now as he did the day he walked through the doors of Loftus Road.