Warnock gone, pardew on his way now Irvine sacked

[nasser95]

I think Ricky was referring to Les, not Rio.

Haha, my bad if that is the case, but even then, Les hasn't really been wasted money

[nasser95]

Oh and I forgot to mention Nasser, our number of shots.

Some would see that as a promising statistic.

Having seen almost all of them, I can quite understand why even with so many, we have scored relatively few goals. Our shooting in general is apallingly bad. Most efforts are either high, wide, at a defenders legs or no more dangerous than a typical back pass.

Away from home you are right, at home though we are still top 5 for shots on target. That is to say keeper had to save or went in. not necessarily blocked

[nasser95]

With the title....: Warnock gone, pardew on his way now Irvine sacked...how have we got into "our club is c**p?".
At a time when Tony Fernandes is watching as they fish bodies out of the water from one of his planes you can sit there and sl*g the bloke off i don't know.
No-one ....that's NO-ONE complained or worried about the signings at the time.....

That is the most important thing that everyone hasn't realised yet.

[brightonr]

Nasser,

Just wanted to say that whilst it seems I am forever disagreeing with you, I actually enjoy reading your posts and your views. Always interesting mate and makes for good debate.

[rickyranger]

M

Sandro was a risk and he has paid off in a sense because of how good he was when fit, arguably him missing this part of the season is better for us as he won't be as much at risk for later. Mutch was an absolutely fine signing had we continued with the 3 at the back where you can have 3 midfielders in the middle and two strikers. Phillips is certainly not an average winger, he is still 23, has pace and when full of confidence is a real menace to any full back in this league with his strength and pace. All it takes is some confidence with some of these squad players. Also, not every player needs to be able to play wide and centrally, they specialise in one position for a reason. The squad itself is quite balanced. When you consider the youth brought to our team by players like Caulker, Isla, Yun, Sandro, Mutch, vargas and Austin, having those older, wiser heads is huge to a club. Also, you are really twisting concepts here, SWP was never and will never be our secret weapon from the bench, he is there to fill the numbers because unfortunately at the moment, we are thin due to injuries. We have one pure right back in Isla because we have Onuoha who can deputise there and even Matty Phillips has done in the past. One more won't be bad in any way, in fact it would be welcome but we aren't weak at right back. Look at Man City, only recognised right back is Zabaleta but they aren't complaining.
People aren't complaining about the fact that they don't wanna see Tony waste his money. On the contrary, when he holds back a bit, people get annoyed and angry about it. We don't know how much the Mittals are investing but it certainly isn't minimal. They are still owners at the end of the day and I'm sure they are helping quite a bit. We will be happy to have them as well once the stadium gets sorted as well due to their Steel works.
Finally, lets say hoddle is making 12k as a coach at most, which is probably the case because coaches tend to get significantly less than that in general (around 1-3k usually). But lets say we are paying him that much. Who could we have gotten for that little money who would be at all worthwhile? As for Ferdinand, he was the reason Caulker came so I have no issues with bringing him in. He is also having a really positive effect on the chileans from what I have seen so he is a very useful person to have around.

Look no point in debating this further but just to clarify a couple of your points:

8 million on a player that all in football knew had knee problems isn't good business, he will be lucky to play 5 full games the rest of this season, come back and remind me if he exceeds that.

Don't start me on phillips middle of the championship player, why do think no one else wanted him at 5 million, him being british and under 25?

ditto Mutch

SWP was sarcasm

Hoddle on 12k, I presume you mean a week, even then think again my friend, add Ramsey and Ferdinand's wages and you could get two very decent players. Whilst we are on it, as a player Ferdinand a legend, as a coach what has he done?

Finally on another post you mention Zarrate could play centre mid. Not sure you are looking at the same player we are signing, attacking mid possibly, but centre mid youmight as well play Clint Hill as a striker.

[jmelanie]

M

Look no point in debating this further but just to clarify a couple of your points:

8 million on a player that all in football knew had knee problems isn't good business, he will be lucky to play 5 full games the rest of this season, come back and remind me if he exceeds that.

Don't start me on phillips middle of the championship player, why do think no one else wanted him at 5 million being british and under 25.

ditto Mutch

SWP was sarcasm

Hoddle on 12k, I presume you mean a week, even then think again my friend add Ramsey and Ferdinand's wages and you could two very decent players. Whilst we are on it as a player Ferdinand a legend as a coach what has he done?

Finally on another post you mention Zarrate could play centre mid. Not sure you are looking at the same player we are signing, attacking mid possibly but centre mid, might as well Clint Hill as a striker.

Charlie has mentioned several times Les Ferdinand's influence and how much he is helping him. Also note Charlie improved once Ferdinand arrived.

[twranger]

Finally, lets say hoddle is making 12k as a coach at most, which is probably the case because coaches tend to get significantly less than that in general (around 1-3k usually)

How do you actually know all that?
My guess is that you are guessing.

[nasser95]

Nasser,

Just wanted to say that whilst it seems I am forever disagreeing with you, I actually enjoy reading your posts and your views. Always interesting mate and makes for good debate.

Agree mate, always nice seeing the views of others on the forum when they are just

[nasser95]

M

Look no point in debating this further but just to clarify a couple of your points:

8 million on a player that all in football knew had knee problems isn't good business, he will be lucky to play 5 full games the rest of this season, come back and remind me if he exceeds that.

Don't start me on phillips middle of the championship player, why do think no one else wanted him at 5 million, him being british and under 25?

ditto Mutch

SWP was sarcasm

Hoddle on 12k, I presume you mean a week, even then think again my friend, add Ramsey and Ferdinand's wages and you could get two very decent players. Whilst we are on it, as a player Ferdinand a legend, as a coach what has he done?

Finally on another post you mention Zarrate could play centre mid. Not sure you are looking at the same player we are signing, attacking mid possibly, but centre mid youmight as well play Clint Hill as a striker.

Well seeing as you don't know what you are talking about, les ferdinand is not a coach at the club

[nasser95]

How do you actually know all that?
My guess is that you are guessing.

In general, when coaches are offered contracts the wages are about that. When you do the FA Coaching courses, they tell you an average for each division.

[nasser95]

M

Look no point in debating this further but just to clarify a couple of your points:

8 million on a player that all in football knew had knee problems isn't good business, he will be lucky to play 5 full games the rest of this season, come back and remind me if he exceeds that.

Don't start me on phillips middle of the championship player, why do think no one else wanted him at 5 million, him being british and under 25?

ditto Mutch

SWP was sarcasm

Hoddle on 12k, I presume you mean a week, even then think again my friend, add Ramsey and Ferdinand's wages and you could get two very decent players. Whilst we are on it, as a player Ferdinand a legend, as a coach what has he done?

Finally on another post you mention Zarrate could play centre mid. Not sure you are looking at the same player we are signing, attacking mid possibly, but centre mid youmight as well play Clint Hill as a striker.

Well, we shall see on that point but given that he has already managed 8 games for the club, 5 doesn't seem too unlikely.

The reason no one offered 5 mil for phillips is because we weren't looking to sell him.

Jordon Mutch got 7 goals and 5 assists in the premier league for a god awful Cardiff side. People were looking to sign him, but we did so i don't know what you are on about.

For the Hoddle wages, 12k doesn't get you much in terms of guaranteed success, but hey, while we are at it, lets get rid of all of our coaches seeing as we could use the money on players instead who could teach each other.

he has been known in the past to play a deeper role, similar to that of wayne rooney in recent days.

[rickyranger]

Well seeing as you don't know what you are talking about, les ferdinand is not a coach at the club

Really, you are telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, guess there a lot that opinions but sorry mate you plan wrong on a lot. So please tell exactly what Ferdinand is here for?

Just to help i have a couple of friends at Spurs, Ferdinand along with his mate Sherwood is as old fashioned as they come, could tell you a story about an under 21 European game where they came in the dressing room at half time and your opinion would change, but simply can't be bothered as you clearly know more than me !

[Kevin Mcleod]

I reckon les is off with timmy to west brom anyway, so we are even more doomed than we already are..

[rickyranger]

Well, we shall see on that point but given that he has already managed 8 games for the club, 5 doesn't seem too unlikely.

The reason no one offered 5 mil for phillips is because we weren't looking to sell him.

Jordon Mutch got 7 goals and 5 assists in the premier league for a god awful Cardiff side. People were looking to sign him, but we did so i don't know what you are on about.

For the Hoddle wages, 12k doesn't get you much in terms of guaranteed success, but hey, while we are at it, lets get rid of all of our coaches seeing as we could use the money on players instead who could teach each other.

he has been known in the past to play a deeper role, similar to that of wayne rooney in recent days.

Like I said come back and remind me if Im wrong

The price or indeed the sale is dictated by how many want to buy not whether we want to sell him he wasn't our player to sell???

Bothroyd ( think you mentioned him) once played for England, one season doesn't make a player

We have Hoddle, Ramsey, Jordan, Redknapp, bond, Hitchcock and ferdinand don't you think with all those great minds we could find a decent away tactic?

Please enlighten me on this Zarrate been known to play a deeper role that involves CM, that's CM not attacking mid, I would really be interested in the team and game as I have a little knowledge and always like to learn.

[rickyranger]

I reckon les is off with timmy to west brom anyway, so we are even more doomed than we already are..

If Sherwood gets the WBA job we should be celebrating as it makes it far more likely they will be relegated than if Pullis gets the job.