Warnock gone, pardew on his way now Irvine sacked

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

It's the reality of supporting a club like QPR. Pretty sure most on here would identify with it.

Don't need to teach me how to suck eggs mate I'm not a div. it's more the fact we are £171,000,000 in DEBT & paying exuberant wages, no youth on the horizon, building new teams EVERY transfer window, no training ground & still got a good chance of going down!!

Forgive me if I'm slightly concerned!

[blue and white]

Well if this is our expectations every year what a miserable time to be a QPR fan.

Honest to god. Of coarse it is not are expectation ever year. We have to be realistic survival for the first two season is a must. Then we can start planning for European places. Once we are settled in the league Tony will then build the training ground and the new stadium. Staying up is hard the first season and it is arguably hard the second

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Honest to god. Of coarse it is not are expectation ever year. We have to be realistic survival for the first two season is a must. Then we can start planning for European places. Once we are settled in the league Tony will then build the training ground and the new stadium. Staying up is hard the first season and it is arguably hard the second

European places? My god.

Apart from your appalling grammar, I'll just point out we haven't moved on one bit.

The majority of our first team are either coming to the end of their careers or on so much unwarranted money they can't be shifted.

Another overhaul in January that could of been done in July / August. Same as every season. Is this the way to run a club? Where is our future?

A stadium is years away pal. A training ground is also pie in the sky it seems. Please list for us where we have advanced under the current management to the tune of a £170,000,000 debt.

Can't wait for your response.

[nasser95]

European places? My god.

Apart from your appalling grammar, I'll just point out we haven't moved on one bit.

The majority of our first team are either coming to the end of their careers or on so much unwarranted money they can't be shifted.

Another overhaul in January that could of been done in July / August. Same as every season. Is this the way to run a club? Where is our future?

A stadium is years away pal. A training ground is also pie in the sky it seems. Please list for us where we have advanced under the current management to the tune of a £170,000,000 debt.

Can't wait for your response.

Richard Dunne, Joey Barton/Karl Henry (sandro Will take the other spot), Zamora. That's it. Those are the consistent first team players coming to the end of their careers. The rest are cover. Where we have advanced is that we are in the mix for survival, which would have been impossible under Tango et al. We are a known team around much of Europe now and we have an ever growing fan base of locals who may have gone to the other side had we not kept the club family friendly. The team has hugely improved since the early days and yet you think that we haven't improved?

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

Richard Dunne, Joey Barton/Karl Henry (sandro Will take the other spot), Zamora. That's it. Those are the consistent first team players coming to the end of their careers. The rest are cover. Where we have advanced is that we are in the mix for survival, which would have been impossible under Tango et al. We are a known team around much of Europe now and we have an ever growing fan base of locals who may have gone to the other side had we not kept the club family friendly. The team has hugely improved since the early days and yet you think that we haven't improved?

At the expense of £170m debt? Erm No!

I couldn't give a toss to be honest who 'knows us in Europe' so! I'm more concerned with our philosophy & the logic we seem to adopt.

You haven't commented on youth. Any reason?

Training ground?

Oh and add Hill to your list. That's six first teamers who'll need replacing, not to mention the likes of Taarabt, SWP & how many orhers that need to & will go. Where's our plan B for this??

Maybe you and others are happy with how it's all going. Some others myself included have woke up to certain things & I don't like it.

I'm not an eternal pessimist like Kirill by any stretch, but I'm not blind to glaring problems at our club. Have a listen to old QPR players & managers on podcasts, interviews etc echoing exactly what I'm saying if you need further assurance.

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

By the way in not here to argue with anyone, or cause arguments. We're all R's & I'm on your side believe me but I won't lie I'm genuinely concerned about a lot of aspects.

[Olly]

If there hadn't have been the continued public resistance to Warren farm, it would have been on it's way. I'm not sure promising youth will come here until it's finished. The stadium will happen when OOC planning is finalised.

Going down and rebuilding is not an option that Tony wants to pursue. It's his money, so that's the way he wants to go. And as I understand it, all the debt is the board's. I'm not sure we are in debt to banks, apart from a £15m loan, which may be a FFP ploy?

Staying up means 17th will do. We have no right to be anywhere much higher until we can stabilize and move unwanted players out.

Staying up means keeping Harry, and not taking chances with unproven lower league managers. If it was your £171m, would you pile it on Eddie Howe right now?

Staying up means getting proven players in. If it was your £171m, would you pile it on unknowns?

Staying up means struggling for points at this moment in time. Good players don't rush to bottom clubs. Harry's influence in getting reasonable players in right now is major.

No, I don't like the way we are playing atm, but I'll accept it for the greater progression to come.

[rickyranger]

These managerial moves are worst case scenario for us as Pardew to Palace and Pullis to WBA are perfect fits for them, therefore reducing the relegation pool to Leicester, Burnley, Hull, Villa, Sunderland and us.

To those who are saying we are meeting expectations, it is widely recognized that you need 40 points to avoid relegation so that should have been our minimum expectations, so half way through the season we should have 20 points, we don't!

We have all our points from home games with most of the top teams still to play, our away form and tactics are laughable, we have an unfit and unbalanced squad, despite transfer dealings being seen as our managers strongest attribute!

We are in big big trouble make no mistake about it.

[rickyranger]

If there hadn't have been the continued public resistance to Warren farm, it would have been on it's way. I'm not sure promising youth will come here until it's finished. The stadium will happen when OOC planning is finalised.

Going down and rebuilding is not an option that Tony wants to pursue. It's his money, so that's the way he wants to go. And as I understand it, all the debt is the board's. I'm not sure we are in debt to banks, apart from a £15m loan, which may be a FFP ploy?

Staying up means 17th will do. We have no right to be anywhere much higher until we can stabilize and move unwanted players out.

Staying up means keeping Harry, and not taking chances with unproven lower league managers. If iit was your £171m, would you pile it on Eddie Howe right now?

Staying up means getting proven players in. If it was your £171m, would you pile it on unknowns?

Staying up means struggling for points at this moment in time. Good players don't rush to bottom clubs. Harry's influence in getting reasonable players in right now is major.

No, I don't like the way we are playing atm, but I'll accept it for the greater progression to come.

Can accept some of your points green but why do you think his money is safe with Redknapp? His signings in the main havn't been very inspiring, in fact when you consider Phillips, Mutch and some of his loans there is a fair bit of money wasted on fees and wages?

So for me yes I would rather place my trust in someone like Howe who has a point to prove, will work himself and players hard and not still believe you can train for a couple of hours (if you call a bit of passing and keep ball training) because we have always done it that way as Redknapp believes.

[West Acton]

You don't need 40 points ricky think 40 has only ever been required once in premier league history. Think historically if you get 36 points more often then not your safe

Perhaps nassar can give breakdown of points needed each prem season to be safe

[rickyranger]

Appreciate that west, more that 40 is seen as a land mark for more or less guaranteed safety so would have been our target,which we are not on track to meet!

[kenny_hoop]

For all you moaners,

Don't know what you are expecting... But I for one am actually enjoying us play in the premier league...

Not sure what half of you want, we came up into a league which lets be honest we didn't deserve. We are currently the highest in the league out of promoted teams. We are 15th. Maybe I am in the minority but actually am a Arry fan.. Credit where its due around this time when we were last in the PL we had about 4 points to our name. We had players like Boothroyd and were destined for the drop with a squad as divided as you could even imagine.

If some of you just use this forum to moan surely we can find another thread for you to do it on?

We have had darker years than these so enjoy them..

[Ablockhoop]

Kenny spot on

[Kevin Mcleod]

Kenny spot on

Yep, same. Loving every game at the bush. Bar palace.

[West Acton]

Yep, same. Loving every game at the bush. Bar palace.

Fer thunderbolt goes in and we all walk away happy again