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[West Acton]

Even Last year under Mark Hughes, in their strongest league finish ever i believe, they only managed 3 away wins (West Ham, Aston Villa and West Brom). Many teams finish well despite being notoriously poor away from home.

Agree buddy but I would guess 9 games in most sides will have at least a few points on the board from away games??? If we got three away wins a season in the top flight I would be content with that as if you win home games as we have that would put you in very strong position to survive year in year out

[nasser95]

Agree buddy but I would guess 9 games in most sides will have at least a few points on the board from away games??? If we got three away wins a season in the top flight I would be content with that as if you win home games as we have that would put you in very strong position to survive year in year out

Totally agree, I'm confident they will come, three away wins out of ten remaining is more than possible and that is why I have such a positive outlook on the situation. Our main concern though must be getting 19 points out of 20 matches under all circumstances, whether at home or away it doesn't matter to me. Be that 6 wins and a draw or 5 wins 4 draws, it doesn't matter. If we can get 2 or 3 wins away from home against sides around us like Burnley or Hull or Sunderland, we will be fine for sure.

[brightonr]

Harry knows that we need to play with wingers with pace away from home to take advantage of the bigger pitch. Our midfield isn't skilled enough to hold onto the ball however for 90 minutes so we play it safe for a long period in order to then hit the opposition at the end with the pace.

Playing devil's advocate for a moment Nasser, but if he knew those things, why the hell didn't he sort it out over the course of the summer?

Or are you saying he didn't know, showing his lack of judgement and has only just twigged?

[nasser95]

Playing devil's advocate for a moment Nasser, but if he knew those things, why the hell didn't he sort it out over the course of the summer?

Or are you saying he didn't know, showing his lack of judgement and has only just twigged?

We came into the season looking to play a solid 352 all year. We expected Traore and Isla to thrive as full backs. Many here didn't expect Charlie to score plenty of goals. When that didn't work, Harry was good enough to ask the players what they wanted and worked to that. This has worked plenty at home but not as much away for one reason. Matt Phillips, who many expected to do well this year has been awful and Hoillett, while brilliant at taking on his man, has not got the delivery. So Harry has been forced to play a certain way until he could get the right players in. Why have we been linked with Scott Sinclair and Andre Ayew so much recently? Because these are the sort of players harry knows we ought to play. Doesn't matter when he caught on because he is learning more about the squad each match, just like we all are. So there is no need to spin your argument into an anti Harry thing because that isn't what it is. It is him filling holes with his fingers until he can get actual filler.

[Timmy the Doc]

Playing devil's advocate for a moment Nasser, but if he knew those things, why the hell didn't he sort it out over the course of the summer?

Or are you saying he didn't know, showing his lack of judgement and has only just twigged?

You're absolutely right Brighton! Buying right sort of players is as easy as buying milk at Tesco. Simple game it is, for all managers.

[QPRDave]

I don't think we can expect to just pick a formation and tactics and then just go out, and win.

[brightonr]

We came into the season looking to play a solid 352 all year. We expected Traore and Isla to thrive as full backs. Many here didn't expect Charlie to score plenty of goals. When that didn't work, Harry was good enough to ask the players what they wanted and worked to that. This has worked plenty at home but not as much away for one reason. Matt Phillips, who many expected to do well this year has been awful and Hoillett, while brilliant at taking on his man, has not got the delivery. So Harry has been forced to play a certain way until he could get the right players in. Why have we been linked with Scott Sinclair and Andre Ayew so much recently? Because these are the sort of players harry knows we ought to play. Doesn't matter when he caught on because he is learning more about the squad each match, just like we all are. So there is no need to spin your argument into an anti Harry thing because that isn't what it is. It is him filling holes with his fingers until he can get actual filler.

Are you suggesting that not realising the limitations of certain players, doesn't matter for a Premier League manager?

As for being anti-Harry, I'm not his greatest fan, but I want the bloke to do well. It was as clear as day how frustrated he was with Hoilett doing all the hard work and fluffing his crossing and shooting yesterday. It looked like he couldn't believe just how bad he was, like most of us, but I would have thought that he and his array of coaching staff could have had some effect on that during his two years here.

[nasser95]

Are you suggesting that not realising the limitations of certain players, doesn't matter for a Premier League manager?

As for being anti-Harry, I'm not his greatest fan, but I want the bloke to do well. It was as clear as day how frustrated he was with Hoilett doing all the hard work and fluffing his crossing and shooting yesterday. It looked like he couldn't believe just how bad he was, like most of us, but I would have thought that he and his array of coaching staff could have had some effect on that during his two years here.

Some players can't change unfortunately, what I mean by it doesn't matter when he caught on was that he can't do anything until January to fix that. With the squad he has available, his best chance is to try and hope one of hoiletts crosses makes it or Phillips finally remembers how to run at players etc.

[brightonr]

Some players can't change unfortunately, what I mean by it doesn't matter when he caught on was that he can't do anything until January to fix that. With the squad he has available, his best chance is to try and hope one of hoiletts crosses makes it or Phillips finally remembers how to run at players etc.

OK mate, got that bit.

[nasser95]

OK mate, got that bit.

[Bluehoop]

Are you suggesting that not realising the limitations of certain players, doesn't matter for a Premier League manager?

As for being anti-Harry, I'm not his greatest fan, but I want the bloke to do well. It was as clear as day how frustrated he was with Hoilett doing all the hard work and fluffing his crossing and shooting yesterday. It looked like he couldn't believe just how bad he was, like most of us, but I would have thought that he and his array of coaching staff could have had some effect on that during his two years here.

David Beckham, over rated by some, under rated by even more but there is no denying he was one of the greatest ever at delivering a dead ball - corners, crosses, free kicks and the like. He worked under one of the greatest managers ever to walk this earth in SAF. "Fat" Frank Lampard, another in that category, hated by all of us, admired the world over and most adept at the aforementioned and at arriving in the box and dispatching the leather into the net, again worked with some of the best in the business. But those managers will tell you time and time again that the skills these players displayed were not down to them and not just down to the natural gift the players were born with.
It was the players themselves that worked for hours and hours alone, after training, in all weathers on those very specific things and kept doing it even when they could do it with their eyes shut - just because they wanted to be the best and remain the best for as long as they could.
Agreed, coaching players is the manager's job along with his staff and I'm sure you are not suggesting that doesn't happen, but making the players better, and in cases such as DB & FFL, the best in the world, is so much more down to the desire and work ethic of the individual - clearly Junior trains for his 45 minutes a day, 4 times a week and then spends the rest of his free time living the life of a professional footballer, just like so many other bang average pro's - and that is what separates these ordinary millionaires from icons such as Beckam and Lampard (and yes he is to all those that don't hate him like us). And to be fair to the fat twonk, he deserves every accolade, every record he's broken and every bit of respect he gets from the rest of the footballing world because he has done it himself with hard work and dedication.

[brightonr]

Can't argue with a word of that, Bluehoop.

I suppose the point I am trying to make is that if it were me in charge, the players would be spending as much time as is necessary in training to be able to consistently perform to a high level of their potential. Those that don't want to can go as they are of no use to us. And it would be made clear to those coming in what is required. If supposed Premier League footballers expect to be paid the salaries that they get, then the very least we should expect is that they work their nuts off in order to be as good as they possibly can.

In my opinion, there is absolutely no excuse for crossing like Hoilett's, or the shocking shooting ability of most of them, who cannot seem to at least get a shot on target from within 25 yards. You often see them dragging it wide or with no pace to trouble a granny in goal. I sat there yesterday wondering just how these blokes became footballers in the first place, as in the main their first touch is dreadful, their awareness is almost non existent at times and their positioning and anticipation is simply too shockingly bad to believe.

As for the manager, if he was in his early days with someone else's squad, then allowances should be made. But he has been here two years now and it's the general level of team play and performances that I find most worrying and on the basis that most of them are his own players, I would have serious reservations about allowing him to bring in more ancient, overpaid failures, simply because he happens to trust them.

[Bluehoop]

Can't argue with a word of that, Bluehoop.

I suppose the point I am trying to make is that if it were me in charge, the players would be spending as much time as is necessary in training to be able to consistently perform to a high level of their potential. Those that don't want to can go as they are of no use to us. And it would be made clear to those coming in what is required. If supposed Premier League footballers expect to be paid the salaries that they get, then the very least we should expect is that they work their nuts off in order to be as good as they possibly can.

In my opinion, there is absolutely no excuse for crossing like Hoilett's, or the shocking shooting ability of most of them, who cannot seem to at least get a shot on target from within 25 yards. You often see them dragging it wide or with no pace to trouble a granny in goal. I sat there yesterday wondering just how these blokes became footballers in the first place, as in the main their first touch is dreadful, their awareness is almost non existent at times and their positioning and anticipation is simply too shockingly bad to believe.

As for the manager, if he was in his early days with someone else's squad, then allowances should be made. But he has been here two years now and it's the general level of team play and performances that I find most worrying and on the basis that most of them are his own players, I would have serious reservations about allowing him to bring in more ancient, overpaid failures, simply because he happens to trust them.

Agree entirely: I don't think I've ever heard him say "we will do double sessions, compulsory ones at that, and no one can leave until Armband learns to kick the ball with his right foot, Joey learns to beat the first man with a cross, Junior lifts his head before producing a cross, (insert any name bar Charlie) learns to have a shot that is actually on target, (insert any name) learns to pick his feet up and move into space for a pass (insert name) ............well I could go on and on

[brightonr]

Agree entirely: I don't think I've ever heard him say "we will do double sessions, compulsory ones at that, and no one can leave until Armband learns to kick the ball with his right foot, Joey learns to beat the first man with a cross, Junior lifts his head before producing a cross, (insert any name bar Charlie) learns to have a shot that is actually on target, (insert any name) learns to pick his feet up and move into space for a pass (insert name) ............well I could go on and on

Glad you stopped there though, or Kevin would be on your case as a reason for wanting to support someone else.