Harrysaurus Rex: "How much coaching does Vincent Kompany need?"

[Geng]

Then someone decided he'd be better off at centre-back, and he turned into one of the best in the world in that position. Reckon that was by magic, Harry? Or down to a lot of work with a big team of professional coaches who know what they're doing.

Alternatively

Then someone decided he'd be better off as a winger rather than a left back, and he turned into one of the best in the world in that position, commanding a world record transfer fee and fitting snugly into the little know Real Madrid with all the pressure that goes with it. Reckon that was by magic Harry? Or down to a lot of work with a big team of professional coaches who know what they are doing.

Heh, I actually had a bit on Bale in the original before I cut it because it got a bit long and WATRBs isn't known for its attention span.

I thought it was pretty well known Harry wanted Bale out a few months before that Inter hat-trick. If you believe HR saw it all coming and specially trained him into a world class forward then you probably also believe his contract is waiting for him at the training ground and his dog does his accounts for him. See here for a bit from both sides of the debate: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...otherwise.html

If he did work with Bale and turn him into a great player then why isn't he trying to do the same again? Why's he feel top top triffic players manage themselves?

[Nick]

Let's all find a stick to beat arry with........he don't walk his dogs enough does he?.....b**tard
He seems to be staying for the minute, so while that's the case we have to back him and the team.

Nail on head Dave... just another stick to beat Harry with! Can see it getting a bit silly, OTT!

[West London is Rss]

Why should I back a manager who doesn't look or sound like he cares or give me good value for the hundreds of pounds I spend watching my team. I will support the team but not the manager.. I paid £709 for my season ticket this year and so far all I have seen is a shower of sh1t. His had more than enough chances, I aint backing a man who don't wana be here now and is gona fvck off at the end of the season to let us pick up the pieces again in the Champ.

[CroydonCaptainJack]

Why should I back a manager who doesn't look or sound like he cares or give me good value for the hundreds of pounds I spend watching my team. I will support the team but not the manager.. I paid £709 for my season ticket this year and so far all I have seen is a shower of sh1t. His had more than enough chances, I aint backing a man who don't wana be here now and is gona fvck off at the end of the season to let us pick up the pieces again in the Champ.

I don't really understand this post. Anyone who has travelled away has a legitimate gripe as we have been shocking but we have at least competed in all three home games.

[West London is Rss]

I don't really understand this post. Anyone who has travelled away has a legitimate gripe as we have been shocking but we have at least competed in all three home games.

Oh that makes sitting at the bottom of the league and being shocking away alright then. I don't care if we've 'competed' at home.. £709!! and we're sitting bottom of the league with a team of strangers and a manager who says he is gona fvck off at the end of the season if we get relegated.. that makes me feel like sh1t as a fan. Harry and yourself might have £709 to throw away and not care what he gets for it but I don't!

[Awin]

Then someone decided he'd be better off at centre-back, and he turned into one of the best in the world in that position. Reckon that was by magic, Harry? Or down to a lot of work with a big team of professional coaches who know what they're doing.

Alternatively

Then someone decided he'd be better off as a winger rather than a left back, and he turned into one of the best in the world in that position, commanding a world record transfer fee and fitting snugly into the little know Real Madrid with all the pressure that goes with it. Reckon that was by magic Harry? Or down to a lot of work with a big team of professional coaches who know what they are doing.

Remember Harry didn't sign bale... He was signed by ramos with comolli instrumental in his signature.

Think you might also find Comolli was more important in bales change of position than HR.

[CroydonCaptainJack]

Oh that makes sitting at the bottom of the league and being shocking away alright then. I don't care if we've 'competed' at home.. £709!! and we're sitting bottom of the league with a team of strangers and a manager who says he is gona fvck off at the end of the season if we get relegated.. that makes me feel like sh1t as a fan. Harry and yourself might have £709 to throw away and not care what he gets for it but I don't!

Well it is well over a grand with my two boys but that is not the point I am making. The season ticket is for home games and the three games have all been close. By the way, don't assume I am happy being bottom.

[Bluehoop]

Heh, I actually had a bit on Bale in the original before I cut it because it got a bit long and WATRBs isn't known for its attention span.

I thought it was pretty well known Harry wanted Bale out a few months before that Inter hat-trick. If you believe HR saw it all coming and specially trained him into a world class forward then you probably also believe his contract is waiting for him at the training ground and his dog does his accounts for him. See here for a bit from both sides of the debate: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...otherwise.html

If he did work with Bale and turn him into a great player then why isn't he trying to do the same again? Why's he feel top top triffic players manage themselves?

Most of that article is speculation and conjecture from a journalist rather better known for reporting on cricket than football. He has used soundbites to attempt to discredit the role of HR in Bale's career. It is not a well known fact that HR was intending to sell Bale, again that was media conjecture and the only "evidence" is the timing of the proposed move(s), beyond the transfer window where only loan deals were permitted. Notice that none of the words printed about HR believing Bale would ultimately be a full back are actually in quotes because again they are soundbites rather than facts emanating from HR. In fact the only thing Bloom actually quotes is a snippet from a Bale interview wherein he gives confirmation of what we all expected from HR - that players like to play for him and they work for him etc......................in actual fact the whole Bale interview gave HR plenty of credit for his development of Bale and I seem to recall Bale again expressing his gratitude to the man shortly after he signed for Real.

Anyway, my point was merely that it is a myth that HR is clueless and out of touch with the game, as it is that he only signs his former players and never puts faith in younger players - you only have to look at the signings he's made here for the evidence, despite the fact some rant on endlessly every time we are linked to another of his old boys - there is a clear balance between the two in our squad.

And, the point was really only made because it adds to the frustration - the facts are there, HR is a proven manager, there are scores of players that will say they want to play for him, go on the pitch to perform for him and love the way he works; there is also evidence that he is capable of invigorating a tired and failing bunch of players, in the way he did when he first went to spuds and there is evidence that he is capable of motivating more ordinary players in the case of Pompey when he got them promoted and off to a Cup final. Of course, there is also evidence that he can fail, like Southampton and our last season in the PL but that is not in question.

There's two things I don't understand, the first of which is why credit isn't given when it's due, with people only discrediting the good to enhance the case for the bad and the second, one I simply can't answer, is why oh why, despite his clear ability to do so in previous cases, has he been so incapable of molding this decent looking bunch of players into a mid table PL side. The only answer for me is that out Club is rotten to the core and that is something that dates back well beyond HR and TF, as well as beyond Tango and Cash and even perhaps before Palladini.
No one has sorted out the mess left behind by previous incumbents following the loss of Jim Gregory and Rangers has had a car crash existence ever since

[West London is Rss]

Well it is well over a grand with my two boys but that is not the point I am making. The season ticket is for home games and the three games have all been close. By the way, don't assume I am happy being bottom.

Exactly, its a ridiculous amount of money.. Surely no one is happy being bottom.
Sorry mate, you just sound like a Harry clapper and I just cant fathom how some people can still be one in all honesty.
He aint once apologised to travelling fans for the performances or held his hands up to say it aint good enough for the money the fans pay and the owners have put in to the club.

[Bluehoop]

Remember Harry didn't sign bale... He was signed by ramos with comolli instrumental in his signature.

Think you might also find Comolli was more important in bales change of position than HR.

Correct, he didn't sign him and the history books show that actually Comolli signed a bit of a dud. I'd be interested to learn of his role in the positional change if you could share

[hal9thou]

so while that's the case we have to back him and the team.

Erm no we don't. I beg to differ. I think it's in the long term interests of the club that this mess gets sorted sooner rather than later.

In simple terms, not supporting Harry is a perfectly good way of supporting QPR.

[Awin]

Correct, he didn't sign him and the history books show that actually Comolli signed a bit of a dud. I'd be interested to learn of his role in the positional change if you could share

Comolli's other duds include Dean Parrett.. In fact they were both due to be signed the same deadline day and levy thought Parrett was the more important signing of the two.

All I know about comollis opinions about position was what he said to me During personal conversations at the time. That the kid was a young LB but has the ball skills to play further up the field.. I am sure no one at the club then or HR after realised how far up the field he would play for real or the number of goals he would score in that position..

Equally HR coukf be credited with the demise of parrett, bostock etc

[Hitman34]

Erm no we don't. I beg to differ. I think it's in the long term interests of the club that this mess gets sorted sooner rather than later.

In simple terms, not supporting Harry is a perfectly good way of supporting QPR.

spot on, i will carry on supporting the team but no way will i support harry and his mates.

[West London is Rss]

spot on, i will carry on supporting the team but no way will i support harry and his mates.

I 3rd this.

[Bigdave]

Agree with all that bar the last two sentences. Older fans will remember how Terry Venables crafted a brilliant looking team out of - in some cases - some fairly workmanlike players. Harry just collects names and expects them to do the rest - or so it seems.

Where i disagree is to lay it at the door of Fernandez. Yes he has - like most fans - been naive twice. But ultimately he has given budgets to three managers that have been in vast excess of anything given to managers of similar sized clubs to us. He has also let both employ massive coaching staffs. In retrospect he should have been far stricter about transfers but effectively that is saying our managers have been so bad that the chairman is probably a better judge of player than the manager has been. He should have been able to expect Harry to fashion a decent team out of the players Harry chose to buy. As late as the back end of the transfer window prob the majority view of fans was that the board should leave transfers to "football people". At least the spending splurge of Warnock, Hughes and his dodgy agent friend, and now to some extent Redknapp has shown the folly of that.

That said, the catastrophic failure to replace Remy aside, fans were almost universally delighted with our transfer dealings this window. The big failure has not been buying the wrong players but the failure to put out a well trained, fit, organised team that looks up for the fight.

Very good post Stainrod. Agree with every word there