What name would you like for the the road our new stadium will be on?

[Hoopsmad]

Welcome to the 'gang of four' , by the way we won't have 7k because Richard has done the maths & he has predicted 29k max.
Like you say cheap tickets & promotions on the cards so not all bad then. Not sure how cheap they'd have to be to sell 40k of them against Carlisle though.

A fiver to get in and pick your flag and foam hand up on the way in.

[skranger]

How about St Judes arena

[NW_Hoopz]

Let's not go down the road of stating
totally incorrect facts shall we? You know full well the calculation was based on just the first four years of a new stadium, but you never look beyond that, yet you persist in misquoting me to suit your agenda. I know you're still sore about the majority wanting 35k and you being in the minority. Accept that the majority want a bigger stadium than you. You're starting to sound a very bitter fella.

You need to get over your bitterness and accept the way things are. You've had plenty of opportunity to start your campaign group but done sweet FA about it. Why not? Why haven't you lifted a finger to try and persuade the board about your 30k plan, instead of whining on here every time the subject comes up?

Either do something about it or shut up. Pretty please

I voted 30k and stated my reasons to the club at the time.

You say the 'majority' voted 35k so how come Uncle T has decided to go with the original 40k figure then ?

As Hoopsmad stated the primary purpose of buying QPR FOOTBALL CLUB had been to guarantee planning permission is granted for an entertainment arena due to the community status a Football stadium holds.

As for disputing your calculations, you have just stated 29k is your forecast/guess for the 1st four years, how do you forecast us increasing from 29k if we are relegated or even just playing to finish 5th from bottom year after year ?

I'm not bitter about Uncle T & his gang of extremely rich men becoming even richer out of our football club, I'm saddened because all of this reminds of a religious cult where the brain washed blindly follow all the gumpth feed to them.

As chief of the tambourine playing, incense burning chanting brainwashed I really hope for our sake you are right Richard, because if the gang of four are right we face watching our football in a half empty stadium 90% of the time & that is only if we stay in the promised land.

[Kevin Mcleod]

A fiver to get in and pick your flag and foam hand up on the way in.

Dont tell me the flags at wembley offended and annoyed you as well?

[QPR Richard]

Public exhibitions are being held on the dates in this link:

http://mobile.qpr.co.uk/news/article/040914-qpr-launch-old-oak-common-consultation-1896009.aspx

Those who oppose the 40k plans can attend and protest against the plans. Get yourself along to some or all of them and have your say. There's no reason why the gang of four can't attend and tell the club why they object to the board's plans.

[Buffalo]

I voted 30k and stated my reasons to the club at the time.

You say the 'majority' voted 35k so how come Uncle T has decided to go with the original 40k figure then ?

As Hoopsmad stated the primary purpose of buying QPR FOOTBALL CLUB had been to guarantee planning permission is granted for an entertainment arena due to the community status a Football stadium holds.

As for disputing your calculations, you have just stated 29k is your forecast/guess for the 1st four years, how do you forecast us increasing from 29k if we are relegated or even just playing to finish 5th from bottom year after year ?

I'm not bitter about Uncle T & his gang of extremely rich men becoming even richer out of our football club, I'm saddened because all of this reminds of a religious cult where the brain washed blindly follow all the gumpth feed to them.

As chief of the tambourine playing, incense burning chanting brainwashed I really hope for our sake you are right Richard, because if the gang of four are right we face watching our football in a half empty stadium 90% of the time & that is only if we stay in the promised land.

I'm not going to enter what, to me at least, is another pointless argument, but I'm not sure I appreciate being pigeon-holed as a brain washed blind follower.

I am far from brainwashed but am happy to go along with what the board plans. Not because I don't think it will destroy or lessen our club, because it might. But by the same token it might, just might, make the club better and ensure financial and other stability for many years to come. Add to that the fact that the board know more than I do about these things, and that there is very little, if anything, that I can realistically do about it anyway. Therefore, I am going to continue to support my team, buckle up and happily go along for the ride.

[QPR Richard]

I voted 30k and stated my reasons to the club at the time.

You say the 'majority' voted 35k so how come Uncle T has decided to go with the original 40k figure then ?

As Hoopsmad stated the primary purpose of buying QPR FOOTBALL CLUB had been to guarantee planning permission is granted for an entertainment arena due to the community status a Football stadium holds.

As for disputing your calculations, you have just stated 29k is your forecast/guess for the 1st four years, how do you forecast us increasing from 29k if we are relegated or even just playing to finish 5th from bottom year after year ?

I'm not bitter about Uncle T & his gang of extremely rich men becoming even richer out of our football club, I'm saddened because all of this reminds of a religious cult where the brain washed blindly follow all the gumpth feed to them.

As chief of the tambourine playing, incense burning chanting brainwashed I really hope for our sake you are right Richard, because if the gang of four are right we face watching our football in a half empty stadium 90% of the time & that is only if we stay in the promised land.

I don't believe we will be playing in front of 20k people 90% of our games if we stay in the prem. Staying in the prem is obviously key to this, but if you were at the MK game, you'll have noticed the upper tier was empty yet the atmosphere seemed fine. All that would be needed is to close the upper tier for games when we get the smaller crowds. The stadium can then be opened up for the bigger events. Remember the key phrase, multi-purpose. It has to be built in a way that maximises its use.

The majority wanted between 30-40k with the bulk wanting 35k. The board has plumped for the top end figure. I wonder if Amit objected to the 40k figure, or any of the other board members? Or were they Tony's nodding dogs?

Without going back on the research, at the time we had this debate, I produced the evidence to show how the growth will come. It's London, it's at the heart of a major new development, it's the premier league, it's a state of the art stadium. And you still believe we'd only get 20k 90% of the time? I disagree.

[NW_Hoopz]

Tell you what Richard we way we play most of the time we'd be lucky to get 20k 90% of the time

;-}

[QPR Richard]

Tell you what Richard we way we play most of the time we'd be lucky to get 20k 90% of the time

;-}

Now that I can agree with

[NW_Hoopz]

Add to that the fact that the board know more than I do about these things.

Whoa hold up fella ..........

How can they know more about QPR than us ?


Uncle T et al rocked up in Shepherds Bush & in one of his first interviews stated he was going to build a new training ground & 40k stadium, he then backtracked and said he would listen to the 'experts' so he let us have our phoney survey & then decided to go with his already decided figure of 40k.

I'm sure you have been around long enough like me to have seen all the 'brilliant & clever' business men try & fail to make more money out of us.

As you also stated absolutely nothing we can do about it.

Hold tight the ride is going to be interesting !

[Hoopsmad]

Public exhibitions are being held on the dates in this link:

http://mobile.qpr.co.uk/news/article/040914-qpr-launch-old-oak-common-consultation-1896009.aspx

Those who oppose the 40k plans can attend and protest against the plans. Get yourself along to some or all of them and have your say. There's no reason why the gang of four can't attend and tell the club why they object to the board's plans.

Already given TF my point of view via twitter

[vespa]

We gave our point of view in the fan survey ,and have been ignored , i dont recall the majority wanting a 40,000 stadium ,but Tony thinks he knows best.

[QPR Richard]

We gave our point of view in the fan survey ,and have been ignored , i dont recall the majority wanting a 40,000 stadium ,but Tony thinks he knows best.

The survey showed the majority want 30-40k, with the bulk of that wanting 35k. I'm glad the board is going for 40k, but would also have been happy with 35k if that was what the majority want.

You haven't been ignored, just outvoted. Can't please everyone, so, like everyone else, you'll just have to put up with it. Nothing stopping you and others attending the open events to complain. If you really care about the issue, and really feel you've been ignored, you should organise a protest just to let the board know how you feel.

If not, can I respectfully suggest you stop complaining about it and accept it?

[vespa]

so ,if the bulk of people didnt want a 40,000 stadium and wanted a smaller capacity ,why would you say weve been outvoted ? What was the point of the survey if our views have been ignored ,you said yourself the majority of people wanted a 35,000 stadium.
How do you know ,i havnt made my feelings clear to the club ?
And while were at it ,you cant stop people debating /complaining ,whichever way you want to look at it ,because this is a forum where people debate all things QPR ,and just because we dont agree with you , dosn`t mean we cant talk about it.

[QPR Richard]

so ,if the bulk of people didnt want a 40,000 stadium and wanted a smaller capacity ,why would you say weve been outvoted ? What was the point of the survey if our views have been ignored ,you said yourself the majority of people wanted a 35,000 stadium.
How do you know ,i havnt made my feelings clear to the club ?
And while were at it ,you cant stop people debating /complaining ,whichever way you want to look at it ,because this is a forum where people debate all things QPR ,and just because we dont agree with you , dosn`t mean we cant talk about it.

I think you've missed the point. The majority want the 30-40k option. That immediately says the 30k option should be ruled out. Agreed? You've indicated you may have made your views known to the club, which is fine, but the majority want something you don't, and that's a bigger capacity. The board has accepted the majority view, and that's the 30-40k size.

However, the majority of those wanting 30-40k want a stadium that can accommodate 35k fans. They have got their wish. The board has decided to add an additional 5k on top, and this could be because they are looking at hosting non-football related events.

The majority has got its way, the board has also got its way and can proceed with both football and non-football events, it's the minority that hasn't got their way, of which you are one. What are we all supposed to do, cave in to a vocal minority and build something the majority don't want and didn't vote for?

Of course it should be debated as it's QPR related, but ultimately, the majority opinion, those wanting 30-40k, have been heard, as have those within that group who want a stadium that can accommodate 35k fans, and perhaps you should be gracious enough to accept the majority got what they wanted.