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[QPR Richard]

Well I'm asking you to name better seeing as none of them are impressive in your mind.

Read what I wrote please. I said their goal scoring numbers are unimpressive. I'm sure some or all of these may be able do some kind of a job for us, but their records suggest not as goal scoring CMs.

What did you base your statement on by saying these guys are decent available goal scoring CMs?

And if I could suggest better players, I'd do some research first before going public.

[maidstone_hoop]

Well I'm asking you to name better seeing as none of them are impressive in your mind.

I wouldnt ask mate... This fella just doesnt get it or football imo. His view which he is entitled to often tend to be baffling at the best of times.

You names some decent players there who would add some quality to us....I know from that list you understand that we need a mix of midfielders, 3 or 4 who can contribute with goals but also ones who can open up defence pick a ball out beat a player ect and the few mention can do that.

[Mattyqpr]

Read what I wrote please. I said their goal scoring numbers are unimpressive. I'm sure some or all of these may be able do some kind of a job for us, but their records suggest not as goal scoring CMs.

What did you base your statement on by saying these guys are decent available goal scoring CMs?

And if I could suggest better players, I'd do some research first before going public.

I'm not quite sure what players you expect us to bring in? I'm hardly going to suggest players that get 15 from midfield am I? It's not realistic.

Teams from 10th downwards, generally get around the 40 league goals mark. If our goalscoring centre midfielder can bag 5 league goals next season that will be a more than decent return for us. Fer and Joey would chip in with a couple and I'd expect Phillips to get a few. I think Charlie will be around the 12 mark and a number 10 should be aiming for around 5-7 goals. Throw in our centre backs who should contribute to 5 or 6 throughout the season and we're nearly on the 40 mark without including goals from our other strikers etc.

All the players I mentioned (bar Valbuena) score every 1 in 7 roughly, which over 38 league games would be around the 5 mark, which is good for us. Valbuena is 1 in 9 but that's playing mostly out wide, I think he'd be perfect as a number 10 and could easily get 5 goals from that position.

[Mattyqpr]

I wouldnt ask mate... This fella just doesnt get it or football imo. His view which he is entitled to often tend to be baffling at the best of times.

You names some decent players there who would add some quality to us....I know from that list you understand that we need a mix of midfielders, 3 or 4 who can contribute with goals but also ones who can open up defence pick a ball out beat a player ect and the few mention can do that.

Haha! It would be perfect if a 15 goal centre mid would join us, sadly it's not going to happen.

[QPR Richard]

I wouldnt ask mate... This fella just doesnt get it or football imo. His view which he is entitled to often tend to be baffling at the best of times.

You names some decent players there who would add some quality to us....I know from that list you understand that we need a mix of midfielders, 3 or 4 who can contribute with goals but also ones who can open up defence pick a ball out beat a player ect and the few mention can do that.

You miss the point, as usual. He suggested GOAL SCORING CMs, and I merely showed their records, which IMO are unacceptable for the role suggested for them. You can't argue with the facts. Well, perhaps YOU can.

Oh, and I DO get football. Been watching it and coaching it for years.

[norfolk ranger]

Giacomo bonaventura- Atlanta- 104 appearances 17 goals ( 1 in 6) been linked already.
Hakim ziyech-heerenveen-38apps 9goals(1 in 4) young exciting prospect.
Max kruse-monchengladbach-30apps 12goals (1in 2.5)striker/attack mid
Think if we could get one or 2 of these players we wouldn't go far wrong,not bad scoring ratios & all have pretty good assist rates too.
Real long shot would be Roberto firmino--hoffenheim-107apps 31 goals(1im 3.5) 11 assists.
Just thought would put some names out there as no one else would. : )

[stainrodisalegend]

The two most likely signings for the "number 10" slot which I agree looks like a position we need to fill urgently are, imo, Van de Vart or Cahill - unless our scouts come up with someone left field, but even if they do not sure that is the Harry way...

[maidstone_hoop]

You miss the point, as usual. He suggested GOAL SCORING CMs, and I merely showed their records, which IMO are unacceptable for the role suggested for them. You can't argue with the facts. Well, perhaps YOU can.

Oh, and I DO get football. Been watching it and coaching it for years.

God help the next generation of footballers then....

All the players he mentioned would add something to QPR. We aint going to buy nasri, toure, we are QPR and he's mentione realistic players who yes will only score prob 5 - 10 goals from midfield a year but for us thats a lot and would contribute massively in whats going to be a relagtion battle.

[QPR Richard]

God help the next generation of footballers then....

All the players he mentioned would add something to QPR. We aint going to buy nasri, toure, we are QPR and he's mentione realistic players who yes will only score prob 5 - 10 goals from midfield a year but for us thats a lot and would contribute massively in whats going to be a relagtion battle.

You really don't get it do you? It's not about what these guys can offer us, it's about their records as goal scoring midfielders. I really wish you'd read what I wrote rather than continually stalking me. It's creepy.

[maidstone_hoop]

You really don't get it do you? It's not about what these guys can offer us, it's about their records as goal scoring midfielders. I really wish you'd read what I wrote rather than continually stalking me. It's creepy.

Haha ok then fella. I just dont get your mentality to football. seen your comments on ferdinand and other things and you dig a hole. You jumped down matty throat because maybe he used the wrong wording slightly when anyone who understands football would be able to gauge the point he was trying to make and can see that actually those guys who dont have amazing goal stats are actually good relaistic targets for QPR.
We aint going to go out and buy a 15 - 20 goal scoring no 10. Get a grip and remember who we are. Its ferdiand all over again. No ones good enough.

[QPR Richard]

Haha ok then fella. I just dont get your mentality to football. seen your comments on ferdinand and other things and you dig a hole. You jumped down matty throat because maybe he used the wrong wording slightly when anyone who understands football would be able to gauge the point he was trying to make and can see that actually those guys who dont have amazing goal stats are actually good relaistic targets for QPR.
We aint going to go out and buy a 15 - 20 goal scoring no 10. Get a grip and remember who we are. Its ferdiand all over again. No ones good enough.

Matty suggested goal scoring midfielders so I had a quick look at the records of those he proposed. They didn't look great. I'm not saying any of those can't do a job for us, I just don't think they could do the job Matty suggested.

Besides, we may not need this "number 10" if we can sign a good striker to play alongside Charlie. We would need a creator, and our wing backs, if we play 3-5-2, to perform.

Anyway, if you don't like what I post, you can always use the ignore function instead of following me around trying to pick holes in everything I write.

[Mattyqpr]

Matty suggested goal scoring midfielders so I had a quick look at the records of those he proposed. They didn't look great. I'm not saying any of those can't do a job for us, I just don't think they could do the job Matty suggested.

Besides, we may not need this "number 10" if we can sign a good striker to play alongside Charlie. We would need a creator, and our wing backs, if we play 3-5-2, to perform.

Anyway, if you don't like what I post, you can always use the ignore function instead of following me around trying to pick holes in everything I write.

We may not need a number 10....followed by we need a creator! Erm, do you know the role of a number 10?

As I said above, a post you failed to answer, teams generally score 40 goals and all the players I mentioned apart from Valbuena would average around the 5 goals a year mark, 12.5% of our target of 40 goals. So, if a goalscoring midfielder who would score 12.5% of our league goals isn't any good then, you my friend are living in another world.

[QPR Richard]

We may not need a number 10....followed by we need a creator! Erm, do you know the role of a number 10?

As I said above, a post you failed to answer, teams generally score 40 goals and all the players I mentioned apart from Valbuena would average around the 5 goals a year mark, 12.5% of our target of 40 goals. So, if a goalscoring midfielder who would score 12.5% of our league goals isn't any good then, you my friend are living in another world.

I do know what a "number ten" is. He's an inside left! If we play 3-5-2, a system with two centre forwards, where are you going to play him? If you say he's the second striker I'd expect a lot more than 5 goals.

And anyway, plenty of players score 5 goals a season that aren't either a forward or a "number ten".

Face it mate, your list of goal scoring CMs, was poor, as the records show. Get over it.

[Mattyqpr]

I do know what a "number ten" is. He's an inside left! If we play 3-5-2, a system with two centre forwards, where are you going to play him? If you say he's the second striker I'd expect a lot more than 5 goals.

And anyway, plenty of players score 5 goals a season that aren't either a forward or a "number ten".

Face it mate, your list of goal scoring CMs, was poor, as the records show. Get over it.

Inside left? No mate, that's an inside left. A number 10 is a playmaker, given license to roam and have an effect on the game, no based position. Here's a description of a number 10 just for you:

The trequartista, usually wearing the jersey number 10, will sit in a free role between midfield and the forwards, either in the centre of the pitch or on the wings. They will often make incisive passes to the wingers or forwards, seeing them through on goal or to deliver killer crosses, as well as scoring goals themselves. They are also usually highly technical players with good vision, shooting, passing, crossing and dribbling ability, known for scoring goals as well as providing assists and initiating attacking plays. Diego Maradona was the elite trequartista.

We will not play two up front either, it will be one with a number 10 in behind. You'd expect a lot more than 5 goals? Mate, when will you wake up and realise we're not going to score 100 goals next season? Seriously, give your head a wobble!

My list was poor, yet you can't name a single one who's realistic and a better option. Keep digging with your "5 goals isn't a good return" nonsense, when I've proved beyond doubt, a 5 goal centre midfielder is worth his weight in gold to a club of our stature.

[QPR Richard]

Inside left? No mate, that's an inside left. A number 10 is a playmaker, given license to roam and have an effect on the game, no based position. Here's a description of a number 10 just for you:

The trequartista, usually wearing the jersey number 10, will sit in a free role between midfield and the forwards, either in the centre of the pitch or on the wings. They will often make incisive passes to the wingers or forwards, seeing them through on goal or to deliver killer crosses, as well as scoring goals themselves. They are also usually highly technical players with good vision, shooting, passing, crossing and dribbling ability, known for scoring goals as well as providing assists and initiating attacking plays. Diego Maradona was the elite trequartista.

We will not play two up front either, it will be one with a number 10 in behind. You'd expect a lot more than 5 goals? Mate, when will you wake up and realise we're not going to score 100 goals next season? Seriously, give your head a wobble!

My list was poor, yet you can't name a single one who's realistic and a better option. Keep digging with your "5 goals isn't a good return" nonsense, when I've proved beyond doubt, a 5 goal centre midfielder is worth his weight in gold to a club of our stature.

Oh, you're back again for more shaming? **** knows what's wrong with you today, you're picking fights all over the place.

Think I'd rather go in with an extra striker than a "number ten" who only got 5 goals. And I'd add a creative midfielder to provide the opportunities for these strikers. If Remy stays, who gets the chop to accommodate your "number ten", Remy or Austin?

Look mate, you were made to look daft with your silly list, just leave it at that and move on.