Slightly worried (if the rumours are true)

[twranger]

Its amazing that some people will, on one hand take the media's word for it when it suits them and on the other, denounce them as ill informed when it doesn't. The only true source of reliable information is the club and so far, they've said nothing about Rio Ferdinand....

[twranger]

So Rio didn't fly back to London last week and hold talks with the club? How do I know this? Spoke to him on the tube exactly one week ago.

good one!!!! how convenient!

[Mattyqpr]

Never understood why some think transfers should purely be the decision of the manager. These are massive financial commitments that will determine the entire future of our club. A player's wages alone could amount to say £10m over the course of a contract. If I owned the club I certainly wouldn't leave such massive decisions in the hands of a man who by his own admission can't write, and who was revealed to have a Monaco bank account named after his dog. Lots of people were saying the same about Hughes being entitled to make decisions: well he is long departed and the club will be picking up the bill for years to come. Sure, the manager needs to identify targets but the owner is perfectly entitled to say "that's too much money for a 35-year-old player". Only a few months ago when the accounts were published lots of fans were complaining that the board hadn't kept a tighter control on the purse strings.

Spot on! I haven't said once it should all be down to Harry. Harry should be able to identify who he wants and not be told no just because the chairman doesn't fancy him (I'm not saying that's the case, just an example). I stand by that. However, if the target doesn't fit into the financial package the club are prepared to offer then the deal should be off.

[Mattyqpr]

Your having a laugh right???? TF has made more ****s up then most, he and beard got their pants pulled down by Hughes, if it wasn't for Harry we would still be in the championship if not worse league 1, Harry has saved TF by getting back in the Premiership, let Harry get in who he trusts as for Phil beard he should never be let anywhere near a football club

Finally someone who agrees Beard is a liability in drawing up contracts.

[Kirill]

Finally someone who agrees Beard is a liability in drawing up contracts.

Better Beard than Redknapp.

[Mattyqpr]

good one!!!! how convenient!

So I didn't? Why would I lie? I've gone on record saying I don't want him to sign. He was in London, last Thursday, that's a fact. I spoke to him, that's a fact. He held talks with the club, that's a fact.

Did he fly back from Brazil to sign? I'd guess so. Are the media right in saying we've moved the goalposts? Highly possible.

[Mattyqpr]

Better Beard than Redknapp.

Based on the contracts Beard has handed out, I'm not so sure! Harry isn't the brightest tool in the box but would struggle to put players on more lucrative contracts than Beard has dished out for fun.

[Del]

Transfer messiah? Where have I said anything about Harry's transfer dealings in the past? Pathetic comment.

You say without knowing the facts, yet bang on about Harry signing Crouch and Defoe, that a fact is it?

Phil Beard is a negotiator, correct. Therefore my point of the changing of the contract at the 11th hour would be his doing. Whether it be from TF telling him to lower it or not. The original talks take place with Beard, therefore he's offered Rio the original terms, this is of course, if it's all true, hence the title clearly stating, if the rumours are true.

Can you not read properly? I've constantly said throughout the thread that if the demands of a player don't fit then the deal should be cancelled. What you can't do though is move the goalposts, which is what has supposedly happened. I couldn't care either way if Rio signs, I'd rather he didn't, but it's not professional or good practice to move the goalposts on contract offers.

Not pathetic at all. I cant be bothered to trawl through your posts again, but you were basically harping on about harry being the Manager and TF shouldnt get involved and should let Harry Manage.... and the interpretatoin being if he wants a player he should get them because he's the manager and knows best. It's a a ridiculous way of thinking.

AS for facts, you are making a big fuss like a spoilt child based on rumours and conjecture. It doesnt matter if you say "if the rumours are true" when you then persist in throwing blame at people within the club, ie Beard, for things that may not have happened. It's pointless. Regardless, if they had happened, without knowing reasons why, it would also be stupid to cast aspersoins when you dont know the facts, and the only proper fact is that you dont know anything.

Ref my comment on Defoe and Crouch, they were examples because he's signed them repeatedly, and are the sort of players he would sign, not said with any suggestion they were actually happening, hence the wording "such as"!

Now put your dummy back in.

[twranger]

So I didn't? Why would I lie? I've gone on record saying I don't want him to sign. He was in London, last Thursday, that's a fact. I spoke to him, that's a fact. He held talks with the club, that's a fact.

Did he fly back from Brazil to sign? I'd guess so. Are the media right in saying we've moved the goalposts? Highly possible.

...so why did you use the word "presumably", in post #29? Here you go.

"We've offered Rio a contract though and then changed it at the 11th hour, presumably after he's come back from Brazil to sign the original deal."

surely you'd use the word "definitely", and say that you spoke with Rio on the tube at this point in the debate.
Sorry, no offence but you know nothing!

[Mattyqpr]

Not pathetic at all. I cant be bothered to twawl through your posts again, but you were basically harping on about harry being the Manager and TF shouldnt get involved and should let Harry Manage.... and the interpretatoin being if he wants a player he should get them because he's the manager and knows best. It's a a ridiculous way of thinking.

AS for facts, you are making a big fuss like a spoilt child based on rumours and conjecture. It doesnt matter if you say "if the rumours are true" when you then persist in throwing blame at people within the club, ie Beard, for things that may not have happened. It's pointless. Regardless, if they had happened, without knowing reasons why, it would also be stupid to cast aspersoins when you dont know the facts, and the only proper fact is that you dont know anything.

Ref my comment on Defoe and Crouch, they were examples because he's signed them repeatedly, and are the sort of players he would sign, not said with any suggestion they were actually happening, hence the wording "such as"!

Now put your dummy back in.

Oh I forgot you're never wrong are you Del? Back on your high horse my friend! You can't bothered to trawl through my posts because you're wrong, you clown.

Harry should be able to bring in the players he wants as long as they fit into the the financial package the club are willing to offer. Tell me what's wrong with that Del Boy?

You've already said Beard is the contract negotiator, so who else is to blame for the huge contracts players have received since he walked into the club? TF has to take blame for employing him, but it's Beard who finalises the contracts. There you go, another fact for you.

Keep chatting manure Del Boy.

[Del]

Oh I forgot you're never wrong are you Del? Back on your high horse my friend! You can't bothered to trawl through my posts because you're wrong, you clown.

Harry should be able to bring in the players he wants as long as they fit into the the financial package the club are willing to offer. Tell me what's wrong with that Del Boy?

You've already said Beard is the contract negotiator, so who else is to blame for the huge contracts players have received since he walked into the club? TF has to take blame for employing him, but it's Beard who finalises the contracts. There you go, another fact for you.

Keep chatting manure Del Boy.

If you actually think Beard makes the decisions as to how much players are offered in long term multi year wage contracts you are beyond naive. It's not his money and he will be working to strict guidelines laid out by the owners.... In other words they dictate what players can earn. Beard is just a middle man. Blimey.

[Kevin Mcleod]

good one!!!! how convenient!

Hendeffo flew back from brazil to london for one day last week. Was all over twitter of pictures off him on the train with fans.

[Mattyqpr]

...so why did you use the word "presumably", in post #29? Here you go.

"We've offered Rio a contract though and then changed it at the 11th hour, presumably after he's come back from Brazil to sign the original deal."

surely you'd use the word "definitely", and say that you spoke with Rio on the tube at this point in the debate.
Sorry, no offence but you know nothing!

I said presumably in context to the contract changing as I highly doubt Rio would fly back to London if he wasn't going to sign.

You trying to say I'm making it up? Each to their own but the facts are clear.

He flew back to London last week and spoke to the club. He might as well sack his agent if it was only talks mind!

[Mattyqpr]

If you actually think Beard makes the decisions as to how much players are offered in long term multi year wage contracts you are beyond naive. It's not his money and he will be working to strict guidelines laid out by the owners.... In other words they dictate what players can earn. Beard is just a middle man. Blimey.

Strict guidelines that he continually managed to reach the top of. Beard is a 'yes' man. Well, he was. Hopefully that's changed, under even more strict rules from TF. There has been no middle ground since he arrived until relegation. Every player signed has been on the top end of the wage structure.

You can't surely believe, he's a good CEO for the club? Seriously? Granted it's not all his fault and he's been thrown in at the deep end but he's made a pigs ear of it.

[QPRDave]

As long as redknapp is told who he can't buy not who to buy I can't see the issue

That ain't a bad strategy