The wrong sort of player?

[LeeCookFan]

A lot has been said about how we signed the wrong sort of player the year we went down and you would be a fool not to agree with that.

But why has the 'wrong players' has come out to be just older players ???

The year we went down I thought it was the younger players and those in their prime that should have being doing the job that actually failed us with thier attitude not the older ones.

The apparent "young and hungry players" or those near their prime that let us down were:
Mbia, Granero, Diakite, Adel, Cisse, Samba

While the old ones that let us down (with their attitude) were:
Ceaser & Bosingwa.

My point is the wrong sort of player should be based on their attitude not their age. You have to remember that the decent core of those players were the granddad army of Hilly Nelsen & Derry.

I personally would not mind seeing the likes of Lescott or 2 or 3 more players his age who give it their all rather than see a few tosspots in their mid 20s that will not bother trying.

[Factamondo]

its all about 'character'......joey has plenty.....clint has plenty......the pub landlord plenty.....greeno plenty

[West Acton]

Very Harsh views on Diakite, Cesar in my view. Give me an example where Cesar showed a poor attitude and Diakite if rumours are to be believed is not well and never actually had a kick other then couple of fleeting appearances

Think you can add Mackie to the players that let us down and the biggest culprit of all Hughes. Also lets not entirely excuse the likes of Derry and the experienced pros of any responsibility. Team game on and off the pitch and a team ethos was not built for varying reasons

[rickyranger]

A lot has been said about how we signed the wrong sort of player the year we went down and you would be a fool not to agree with that.

But why has the 'wrong players' has come out to be just older players ???

The year we went down I thought it was the younger players and those in their prime that should have being doing the job that actually failed us with thier attitude not the older ones.

The apparent "young and hungry players" or those near their prime that let us down were:
Mbia, Granero, Diakite, Adel, Cisse, Samba

While the old ones that let us down (with their attitude) were:
Ceaser & Bosingwa.

My point is the wrong sort of player should be based on their attitude not their age. You have to remember that the decent core of those players were the granddad army of Hilly Nelsen & Derry.

I personally would not mind seeing the likes of Lescott or 2 or 3 more players his age who give it their all rather than see a few tosspots in their mid 20s that will not bother trying.

Some unbelievable and factually wrong comments on here, look a bit nearer home said it before how come the Jackie's, Derry etc neither wished us luck or congratulated us on promotion. Also give me an example when Granero, Cesar or Mbia did anything to disrespect our club. Talk about judging people by ill informed gossip!

[klonk]

Some unbelievable and factually wrong comments on here, look a bit nearer home said it before how come the Jackie's, Derry etc neither wished us luck or congratulated us on promotion. Also give me an example when Granero, Cesar or Mbia did anything to disrespect our club. Talk about judging people by ill informed gossip!

well... mbia did the whole "aren't they from scotland" thing, then he took to twitter as soon as we were relegated to ask barton to swap places with him, then he recently started going on about how, even if the club exercised its option for a contract extension, he wouldn't sign it etc. (also, i think it spoke volumes that very few of our players congratulated mbia on winning the europa league - only faurlin wasn't it?)

[West Acton]

(also, i think it spoke volumes that very few of our players congratulated mbia on winning the europa league - only faurlin wasn't it?)

Same as Rickys point that Derry and Mackie have not come out and congratulated us on getting up lets not forget Derry was part of the club for three quarters of the season

[klonk]

to go back to the op, there needs to be a balance of young and old players in the squad.

i think a lot of people (me included) are worried that:

as a starting point, we seem to have one of the older squads
no one from the youth team has been able to establish themselves in the first team for many years now
the vast majority of players that we seem to be linked to are older players

i don't have any problem with bringing in experience (but at the right price and wages), but there needs to be some younger players who can benefit from the experience too.

[West Acton]

to go back to the op, there needs to be a balance of young and old players in the squad.

i think a lot of people (me included) are worried that:

as a starting point, we seem to have one of the older squads
no one from the youth team has been able to establish themselves in the first team for many years now
the vast majority of players that we seem to be linked to are older players

i don't have any problem with bringing in experience (but at the right price and wages), but there needs to be some younger players who can benefit from the experience too.

Agree would also be good to get to the bottom of why in recent years none of the academy have really made it into the first team not even for League Cup games

[klonk]

Same as Rickys point that Derry and Mackie have not come out and congratulated us on getting up lets not forget Derry was part of the club for three quarters of the season

yeah, that's true. to be fair, i don't think either of them are that prolific on the twitter front... and derry was not part of the actual squad for more than a month or so last year. in any case, all of the above are one-way-or-another no longer rangers players and we probably shouldn't waste too much time on what they are or aren't doing nowadays.

[Midgeyboy]

to go back to the op, there needs to be a balance of young and old players in the squad.

i think a lot of people (me included) are worried that:

as a starting point, we seem to have one of the older squads
no one from the youth team has been able to establish themselves in the first team for many years now
the vast majority of players that we seem to be linked to are older players

i don't have any problem with bringing in experience (but at the right price and wages), but there needs to be some younger players who can benefit from the experience too.

Spot on,
That for me is why we need to bring in younger players (though not opposed to Lescott-Lampard and alike).
Just so that we would get a good few years out of them.
The club as a whole seems uninterested in bringing through our youth players, seems to have a wait till the training ground and stadium is sorted then we`ll bring some through attitude.
This will be the 3rd (maybe even count 4th , or even 5th) season that we are needing to sign a lot of first team players.
I understand needing to get rid last season and then bring in, but in my view that could have been done with one eye one the future not just till the end of the season.
I think the "right sort" would be a player that
A. Wants to play for the club (not just the money).
B. Understands that if the worst happens and we go down, Is still willing to stick with us and play in the Championship.
If they answer yes to both of them then we won`t go too far wrong.

[stainrodisalegend]

Agree its about balance. Wd like Lescott and don't even at an absolute push rule out Ferdinand but then it wd be nice to see players like Yun being given his chance (and he isn't even from the youth set up but you do have to wonder what more a young up and coming player has to do to get into the team). If in any other organisation the youth set up had not produced a single first team player for a decade or more surely they wd be disbanded.

[Midgeyboy]

Agree its about balance. Wd like Lescott and don't even at an absolute push rule out Ferdinand but then it wd be nice to see players like Yun being given his chance (and he isn't even from the youth set up but you do have to wonder what more a young up and coming player has to do to get into the team). If in any other organisation the youth set up had not produced a single first team player for a decade or more surely they wd be disbanded.

Agree.
It seems that we take them so far, ie. sitting on the bench.
Then send them out on loan for a season or two only for them never to be seen again.
I understand not every youth player will go on to the first team but surely it`s time to start bringing some through.
Hitchcock last season would have been a great player to bring off the bench (poor lad must of thought he would be a regular sub after his Ipswich winner).
Harriman the season before was one of our best players at Liverpool on the last day, Where is he now?
No wonder the club found itself in a world of debt.

[rickyranger]

Absolutely agree about needing a balance so you get to a position when you only need to add three or four players to your squad each year. The problem with our youth is that the system has been neglected for a long time and the current crop are not up to first team football. Need to remember that Hitchcock for example isn't a product of our set up having been released by Blackburn.

Even once the training ground and system is upgraded it will take a while and I am affraid the answer isn't to bring in a whole host of ex QPR players such as furlong to coach them, simply because they are QPR. We need to attract the very best coaches from across the globe, develop state of the art facilities and then the fact we may give young players chance may attract the better young players, currently we have little chance when much bigger clubs with better facilities are queuing up to sign them.

As for signing players it's not their age but what they can give to the team, too many of the foreign signings from our last prem visit are deemed Un-interested and disruptive when they simply weren't. The reality is they turned up at a club whoose English players did not welcome them due mostly to the fact they felt pushed out and undervalued. Hughes did not appear to help the situation and when result didn't come any possibility of integration was met with accusations and mis-trust, some justified but a lot not. Remember it is alleged that when at Leeds Derry gave the opposition the Leeds team when he was dropped and we all know about Tarrabt team building and loyalty skills and yet to see any sort of message of congratulations from Mackie despite the ideal excuse of being a Forest player! By all means have an opinion on a players ability but it is extremely unfair to allege a player is disruptive or uninterested when there is no evidence to support that. Reality is if the likes of Granero comes back next year they could prove very useful in a balanced side, which last time we certainly didn't have.

[Tarbie]

A lot has been said about how we signed the wrong sort of player the year we went down and you would be a fool not to agree with that.

But why has the 'wrong players' has come out to be just older players ???

The year we went down I thought it was the younger players and those in their prime that should have being doing the job that actually failed us with thier attitude not the older ones.

The apparent "young and hungry players" or those near their prime that let us down were:
Mbia, Granero, Diakite, Adel, Cisse, Samba

While the old ones that let us down (with their attitude) were:
Ceaser & Bosingwa.

My point is the wrong sort of player should be based on their attitude not their age. You have to remember that the decent core of those players were the granddad army of Hilly Nelsen & Derry.

I personally would not mind seeing the likes of Lescott or 2 or 3 more players his age who give it their all rather than see a few tosspots in their mid 20s that will not bother trying.

Whilst I understand the point you are trying to make, I will point out that Cisse is a year older than Boswinga.

[qblockoompah]

Absolutely agree about needing a balance so you get to a position when you only need to add three or four players to your squad each year. The problem with our youth is that the system has been neglected for a long time and the current crop are not up to first team football. Need to remember that Hitchcock for example isn't a product of our set up having been released by Blackburn.

Even once the training ground and system is upgraded it will take a while and I am affraid the answer isn't to bring in a whole host of ex QPR players such as furlong to coach them, simply because they are QPR. We need to attract the very best coaches from across the globe, develop state of the art facilities and then the fact we may give young players chance may attract the better young players, currently we have little chance when much bigger clubs with better facilities are queuing up to sign them.

As for signing players it's not their age but what they can give to the team, too many of the foreign signings from our last prem visit are deemed Un-interested and disruptive when they simply weren't. The reality is they turned up at a club whoose English players did not welcome them due mostly to the fact they felt pushed out and undervalued. Hughes did not appear to help the situation and when result didn't come any possibility of integration was met with accusations and mis-trust, some justified but a lot not. Remember it is alleged that when at Leeds Derry gave the opposition the Leeds team when he was dropped and we all know about Tarrabt team building and loyalty skills and yet to see any sort of message of congratulations from Mackie despite the ideal excuse of being a Forest player! By all means have an opinion on a players ability but it is extremely unfair to allege a player is disruptive or uninterested when there is no evidence to support that. Reality is if the likes of Granero comes back next year they could prove very useful in a balanced side, which last time we certainly didn't have.

Great post. And with regards to Hitchcock he struggled to even get a start at Rotherham