All the Harry bashers, what you think of him now?

[dsqpr]

A funny story about Harry: Doug (dsqpr) and myself had gone to The Sprinbok after Wembley to sing a few songs and celebrate with the lads, it was great fun, the place was mobbed, we eventually moved on! We were debating the exact topic of this thread, Doug is still not a Harry fan, as we walked by Loftus Road who came walking out but none other than Harry! I didn't know what to say to the dude other than thanking him several times for getting my team promoted! He was quite impressed that we had flown over from Canada for the match and said "that's what this is all about, it's all for the fans"! I'm too old to be into hero worship but I did get a picture with my new found friend, it went kind of viral on twitter, especially in Canada!

TBF, I did shake his hand and tell him "well done"! I also managed to take a picture without cutting anybody's head off, which was definitely good for me!

I agree with jmelanie's post above: Last season has to be called a success because we were promoted, albeit in somewhat unconvincing fashion. Harry has earned the right to manage us this season but he is no spring chicken and we should be planning NOW for what happens when his contract expires.

[Geng]

You sound like the tabloids now and appear to have been taken in by the spin of the papers like our opponents have. We had an aging side with no pace however a side made up of recognisable names. Just because a player is high profile and was good four or five years ago don't mean there at that standard now.

We had a team of names and former very good players on the decline and we made the best of it. There were better sides then us who had younger more mobile players and they went up automatically

You'd have a decent point if Benayoun, Phillips, Krancjar and Morrison (4 of the 6) weren't all Harry signings. If he spent the biggest budget in the history of the Championship on 'ageing but recognisable players with no pace' then that's his problem.

This 'he did his best with a bad situation' narrative is just ridiculous. Yes many of those names are overrated, but do we seriously think they wouldn't all have looked significantly better in a team that played every week like they had a plan and had met their teammates before? I'm pretty sure Burnley wouldn't have turned down any of those six, for instance.

[fisnik]

You'd have a decent point if Benayoun, Phillips, Krancjar and Morrison (4 of the 6) weren't all Harry signings. If he spent the biggest budget in the history of the Championship on 'ageing but recognisable players with no pace' then that's his problem.

This 'he did his best with a bad situation' narrative is just ridiculous. Yes many of those names are overrated, but do we seriously think they wouldn't all have looked significantly better in a team that played every week like they had a plan and had met their teammates before? I'm pretty sure Burnley wouldn't have turned down any of those six, for instance.

So they were bad signings? Benayoun, Philips, Morrison and Kranjcar were ageing but recognisable players with no pace?

He did do the best with what he had. He was told by TF on record in January that he had to work with what he had (which I don't blame Tony for), and our moves for the two strikers we were after (Ntep and Belfodil) were scuppered.

[maidstone_hoop]

You chat some rubbish - don't get all this doom monger **** towards a manager who got us promoted and tbh your points about the players are pointless and just moaning for the sake of it. You sound like one of the papers and not of someone who understands what a turn around our club has made.

How about getting behind the bloke who just helped get us promoted and wait until the signings are made before mugging him off.

[Geng]

Hang on... I think all six players mentioned are excellent players at Championship level, one of the reasons why I don't think we should be lauding HR for finishing 4th. Imagine we were in the Prem and had Hazard, Silva, Sterling, Willian, etc all in the same squad. Several of our lot were as good compared to the rest of the division's attacking mids as Hazard is to the rest of the Prem.

Someone then said 'oh no, but Harry had to do his best with an ageing squad blah blah'. Not me. I think we had an excellent squad, poorly managed.

Wait until what signings? He's already had three windows with us, we seriously expect him to suddenly change course now?

[fisnik]

Your analogy is completely wrong. Our players were not head above shoulders everybody else. They were good players but to say that Harry had superstars whilst everyone else in the division was crap is plain wrong. Who is our Hazzard, willian and sterling? The reality was that our squad was not as strong as you make out. Our budget wasn't the biggest either. Harry had some money to spend in the summer window which he done ok in. In January we were in a tough spot with the injuries and our negotiations could not go through due to the restricted budget and we ended up with Doyle and Maiga on loan...

[Bluehoop]

Our Hazard, Willian and Sterling
Guess we are looking at the likes of Phillips who was injured for much of the season, Hoilett who had a bit of time out but is frankly not even close to being our Championship equivalent and I suppose the other attacking midfielder would be Traore - a rarely fit, one footed, converted full back. Of course Nico is in the category and he was barely fit for more than a game or two at a time and Ravel was a late arrival who may be the one that really fits the bill but how many games did he play? Benayoun, again injured more often than fit and no longer good enough to be in the category of Championship equivalent to the kind of players mentioned.
As fis says above, good players yes but seriously, head and shoulders better than the rest

[Olly]

Please tell us any manager that puts his hand up to mistakes at the time. Brendan rogers didn't take any of the blame himself for the draw at crystal palace when it was obvious he wanted the team to score as many goals as possible.

Harry did do the right thing twice by getting managers in to replace him when he would ever leave. Steve cotterill and Mclaren. Anyone remember them?

[hal9thou]

Haven't even made a signing yet and your spouting rubbish.

At spurs there was a decent pool of younger talent in situ and Harry made some decent signings. But he also has a track record trying to get older players who are on the slide and I don't think this approach will work at EPL level. Given his record it is entirely reasonable to question whether a manager his age is that right person to start rebuilding our team with an eye to the future.

Because someone disagrees with you it does not mean their point of view is rubbish. It just means they disagree.

[Geng]

Your analogy is completely wrong. Our players were not head above shoulders everybody else. They were good players but to say that Harry had superstars whilst everyone else in the division was crap is plain wrong. Who is our Hazzard, willian and sterling? The reality was that our squad was not as strong as you make out. Our budget wasn't the biggest either. Harry had some money to spend in the summer window which he done ok in. In January we were in a tough spot with the injuries and our negotiations could not go through due to the restricted budget and we ended up with Doyle and Maiga on loan...

Hah. You see many other sides in the Championship with players on Premier League wages?

This isn't the 1990s anymore, wages are more important than transfer fees. And our wage bill was towards the top of the PL let alone the division below.

Even if you do want to look at transfer fees rather than wages, take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Leicester_City_F.C._season#Transfers

and this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Burnley_F.C._season#Transfers

or this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Derby_County_F.C._season#Transfers

or this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013%E2%80%9314_Wigan_Athletic_F.C._season#Transfers

Those four teams spent, combined, about as much as Matt Phillips cost us.

We signed one of the top, if not *the top* wingers in the division last summer for £5m. We spent another £4m on one of the best strikers in the division. Imagine if a top PL side signed Suarez and Hazard then moaned about a 'restricted budget'

You're basically parroting Harry's nonsense media waffle here. Down to the bare bones, couldn't quite get the boys we wanted, lot of tough sides in this division, have to make the best of what we've got, etc etc.

[Geng]

Then don't forget those four sides might have all received some money from selling players.

We haven't made a significant profit selling a player since Peter Crouch over a decade ago, and before him it'd be someone in the 90s. Sinclair maybe?

(ignore the nonsense about "getting wages off the books", we didn't. The likes of Mbia, Cesar etc still heavily subsidised by us)

[stanistheman]

Jesus mate we got promoted what more do you want. We didnt have no divine right to go up but we did and that was down to harry as much as anyone. Yeah we got lucky on occassions but not the whole season. For long periods we were unlucky with losing our top striker and winger but with harry there we grinded our way to the end pf the season as a TEAM and then took our chance.

I wasn't complaining.

I acknowledged he had a tough job to do and he won promotion. I wasn't expecting and never hinted that QPR had a divine right to win propmotion.Throughout the season and even in pre season I had thought there were a number of other sides with just as much or better chances of winning promotion.

Yes, it was a very lucky win. A number of QPR's wins were lucky, often 1-0 and relied on other teams missing their goal scoring chances. It' true, QPR had injury problems and some bad luck with some other games too.

Redknapp went into the season with Austin and 2 very injury prone ageing strikers, whether that was his choice or the Boards we don't know.

My only real complaint against Redknapp was the tactics and team selections over the last 2 seasons. For me, his tactics have often been way to negative.

[Rebel R's]

I still hope he goes,he got us up but he was so lucky, don't trust him in the transfer window and don't think TF does either, we simply must learn for last time and sign young hungry players not old timers looking for their last pay pack

[Pal]

I can't believe what I'm reading on here.

Harry inherited a huge squad full of disinterested overpaid has beens with what Ryan Nelson described as the worst dressing room attitude he had ever come across.
He cleared out all the bad attitude, sent the prima donnas out on loan to free up wages, organised the second meanest defence in the championship and got us promoted all whilst having a very decent champ side on the treatment table.

It's hard to know what exactly he is supposed to have done wrong.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some people here seem to be digging him out just for the sake of it.

[twranger]

I can't believe what I'm reading on here.

Harry inherited a huge squad full of disinterested overpaid has beens with what Ryan Nelson described as the worst dressing room attitude he had ever come across.
He cleared out all the bad attitude, sent the prima donnas out on loan to free up wages, organised the second meanest defence in the championship and got us promoted all whilst having a very decent champ side on the treatment table.

It's hard to know what exactly he is supposed to have done wrong.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some people here seem to be digging him out just for the sake of it
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quite right.......nothing else to whine about at the moment......got to get their fix somehow!