Going up? The bad news...

[Briankey81]

So let's get the £90m that comes with getting promoted and pay off the fine of £30-40m if that's the case. Coyrs!!

[Mattyqpr]

I don't see it being a huge amount different. Lots of highly paid players on loan rather than sold, and some high profile players in too.

Cesar, Park, Adel, Granero, Mbia and Remy all out on loan would take millions off the wage bill even if only paying percentages of the full wage.

Throw in Samba, Bosingwa, Ben Haim, Derry, Mackie, Bothroyd, Cisse, DJ, Cerny, Hulse and Ferdinand who have all left the club then I'm sure we've shaved the wage bill significantly.

[hal9thou]

Matty you have to factor the level of indebtedness into the equation and the proposed embargo as well as the fine. It seems prudent to look at the potential downside rather than completely ignore it, the legal challenge to FFP notwithstanding..... Citeh are taking it seriously enough.

[Mattyqpr]

Matty you have to factor the level of indebtedness into the equation and the proposed embargo as well as the fine. It seems prudent to look at the potential downside rather than completely ignore it, the legal challenge to FFP notwithstanding..... Citeh are taking it seriously enough.

Trust me, we'll have hugely more significant problems should we fail to go up if the FFP rules are implemented, which are a long way off in my opinion.

[stanistheman]

The FFP rules are designed to keep the big established well off clubs at the top at the exclusin of the samller clubs.
It would take QPR decades to build up a youth set-up ground and build a fan base even remotely close enough to challenging for a top 6 place in England.

If the FFP ules were in place 12 years ago, Chelsea would be where Tottenam are today.

Going back to the start of the Premier League, Blackburn, Chelsea nor Man City would have been Champions and the Premiership winners of England would still be between Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool.

Ever since freedom of contract came into play in the late 70s, and later on the Bosman ruling, the league title races in most European countries have been between a handful of clubs as the big established clubs would always entice the smaller clubs better players.

Does anyone remember the decent QPR and Norwich sides of the 80s? Both clubs had good youith and scouting networks and built good sides capable of challenging at the top. Yet QPR had to sell the likes of Fenwick,Parker, Seaman, Sinton, Peacock & Ferdinand and Norwich players like Bruce, Phelan, Townsend, Phillips, Sutton, Fox, Fleck as they were close to the end of their contracts and would be free to move ob or be sold at a price fixed by a tribunal.

This is what FFP will be doing. Only the clubs with big 50-75,000 capacity stadiums will be able to afford to buy the best players.

[maidstone_hoop]

to be fair if we go up and get fined it wont be the end of the world - palace stayed up with out spending silly money and buying decent players from the championship - we have a decent spine we must keep hold of -
Green
simpson onohua yun
barton phillips traore(out of contract)
Auston

30 mill and we can bring in 8 or 9 very decent players and play the loan market with 2 or 3 of them

[klonk]

Trust me, we'll have hugely more significant problems should we fail to go up if the FFP rules are implemented, which are a long way off in my opinion.

this is the point exactly...

whilst we've trimmed our wage bill relatively significantly this season, a lot of the underlying problems remain.

the costs of buying a player aren't expensed in the year of purchase, but spread evenly over the length of the player's contract (until we no longer hold that player's registration). on that basis, this season's accounts will include a charge of around £8m for purchasing the combined talents of park, mbia, adel, remy and granero despite none of them kicking a ball once for us all season - that's about 40% of the parachute payment.

even if we didn't pay cisse any money to agree to terminate his contract (and i reckon that we did), we'd still need to write-off what remained of his book value (about another £2m) just to cut the wage bill - so another 10% of the parachute payment gets eaten up.

then start considering the share of the loan players' wages that we're probably still stumping up each week (despite most of them appearing in the champions league at one stage or another), the pay-offs that the likes of cisse, bosingwa and ferdinand probably got and you'll soon spot that the 'massive advantage' that everyone reckons the parachute payments give us has mostly gone into the pockets of the players who got us relegated and didn't have the stomach/decency to stick around and clean their mess

if we go up, i can't say that i'm really that enthusiastic about going back to the feelings that a constant relegation battle conjures up, but, basically, we need the money that promotion brings very badly.

[Fraggy]

Actually it will almost certainly be beyond their remit. This seems a sound legal opinion.

Dave -I was probably down LR while you were still having you arrrse wi ped and have a life outside this forum - so unlike you I only post if something concerns me about the running of the club. It's called democracy. If you're interested in the club's long term future you shouldn't just assume the men in suits have it all in hand. Ask the supporters of one of Harrry's old clubs.

As for selling Remy and Taraabt - that's great if we have a creative mid field and an international strike force. Unfortunately however.....

So your learned diagnosis would be to ignore the elephant in the room. Let me tell you right now that it doesn't work. You'll get trampled sooner or later.Ignorance is not bliss, it is just ignorance. I have no idea why you have to resort to name calling - fans are entitled to voice concerns. I'm 58 and no relation to Marshy.

Anyway - there's a job to be done first. Fvck knows what'll happen if we go up but it can be done.

Pot calling kettle black?

[QPRDave]

So your learned diagnosis would be to ignore the elephant in the room. Let me tell you right now that it doesn't work. You'll get trampled sooner or later.Ignorance is not bliss, it is just ignorance. I have no idea why you have to resort to name calling - fans are entitled to voice concerns. I'm 58 and no relation to Marshy.

Anyway - there's a job to be done first. Fvck knows what'll happen if we go up but it can be done.

If you are not marshy ...the name calling did not apply to you.
Of course you can view your concerns ....but none of us know any of the financial details of the club ...so it's hard to call what's best...As others have said TF is aware of ffp and is dealing with it