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    And see out your contract. I'm neither for or against Harry. When I see witch hunts about anything anywhere, not just here, I just go dig out the good stuff no-one wants to know about. So that's why I find all the 'Harry out' stuff hilarious.

    Most of it based on rants by a few posters which then encourages more people who take it as gospel to jump on any 'blame someone' bandwagon going. It's the same sort of negativity as the stadium 4 gang. The 'Let's see how long we can get a negative thread going in the hope that the club will see it and do what we want them to do' plot. Same as the 'Harry out' gang. Dream on.

    I see none of you yet had the nerve to start parading 'HARRY OUT' banners at Loftus Road. You would have been laughed out the ground.

    I could see a situation where we get promoted and all those who are on the 'Harry out' steam-train will never admit fault, and will never give him the praise he would be due. It would be refreshing to see them standing outside the ground first game next season with placards round their necks saying 'Sorry Harry, I got it wrong'.

    So what's happened under Harry so far.

    HARRY'S FIRST SEASON

    Harry Redknapp has lifted the lid on the "undisciplined" QPR squad he discovered when he took the job in November last year.

    In the third part of a Daily Mail serialisation of his forthcoming autobiography, Redknapp has revealed the full extent of the dressing-room anarchy that was arguably the major factor in Rangers finishing rock bottom of the Premier League last season.

    The west London club had taken just four points from their opening 13 Premier League games when Redknapp took over at Loftus Road on a two-and-a-half year contract the day after the dismissal of Mark Hughes.

    Three straight draws and a first win of the season at home to Fulham briefly took them off the foot of the table, and when they beat Sunderland 3-1 in March, they were only four points from safety.

    However, behind the scenes, Redknapp was fighting a losing battle with certain Rangers players and there was to be no 'Harry Houdini act'. The club failed to win any of their remaining nine league fixtures and were relegated.

    "Jose Mourinho would not have kept QPR up last season," wrote Redknapp.

    "The squad I inherited was poorly balanced, undisciplined and short of confidence."

    Former Portugal defender Jose Bosingwa - a Champions League winner with Chelsea the previous season - was one of the worst culprits, says Redknapp.

    "I'd had problem players in the past, but I thought Bosingwa's attitude was disgraceful."

    "I found out the extent of the problem after we beat Fulham and Bosingwa refused to sit on the subs' bench," continued Redknapp. "I'd had problem players in the past, but I thought his attitude was disgraceful.

    "I fined him two weeks' wages - and that was when I got the shock of my life when I found out how much he was on. Bosingwa's salary was ridiculous.

    "The problem was, he wasn't the only one. It was scary. Within weeks I had worked out that my best player was Ryan Nelsen, a 35-year-old New Zealand international - and he couldn't wait to get out.

    "'You've got no chance,' he told me. 'Not a prayer. This is the worst dressing room I've ever been in in my life. You haven't got a hope with this lot. I don't know how you solve it'.

    "It was a squad full of very average footballers earning more money than they deserved. It made them very arrogant and contemptuous. They would rather come in late every day and just pay the fine than behave in a professional manner."

    Nelsen left Loftus Road at the end of January to coach Toronto FC in MLS, and although Rangers shelled out over £20million on Loic Remy and Christopher Samba, Redknapp could not save them from the drop.

    He holds the greatest admiration for defender Clint Hill, voted Player of the Year by supporters.

    "Clint Hill would run through a brick wall for QPR... he was disgusted with some of the attitudes he encountered."

    "I felt truly sorry for the guys like Clint Hill," added Redknapp. "He was not the greatest player but he would run through a brick wall for QPR. You could tell he was disgusted with some of the attitudes he encountered.

    "He didn't have the technical ability of those players but if we had more like him, we might have stayed up. It doesn't matter how good a player is technically - without desire, he is nothing."

    Rangers have made an excellent start to the new Championship season - they sit joint top of the table - and 66-year-old Redknapp is determined to secure a quick top-flight return.

    "Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to get Rangers back up," he said.

    "I spent all summer trying to remedy our problems, shifting certain players out, getting others with the right attitude in.

    "I know some of these players think they are better than this division but I've been down there and I know there are teams and players that will eat you alive if you are not fully committed.

    "My priority was to get rid of the troublemakers. Get rid of them before they got rid of us."

    THIS SEASON

    1) Harry's remit was to get promotion this season. You can only do that with proven players, not unknowns.

    These were the main questions that fans wanted answers to.


    2) Why didn't he buy another striker?

    Possible reasons. Couldn't get the players he wanted at what ever budget was available. May have been told to use BZ and AJ.


    3)Why did he buy older players ? And mostly players he knew.

    See 1)


    4) Why didn't he buy more younger players?

    See 1)


    4) Why doesn't he play the younger players we have?

    See 1)


    5) Why doesn't he stand on the touchline?

    Because he's had a leg operation.


    6) Why have we played 'rubbish' in quite a few games? Lots of reasons here

    a) Major and minor injuries leading to constant team changes. It's all very well if the squad have been together for two or three seasons and know each others game inside out. They don't, leading to stop, start, and negative play. That's why games go wrong for any club when they field different teams in cup games.

    b) The injuries to our wide players, Philips, Hoilett, Traore. There were several games when they were not available which resulted in negative midfield play and no service to strikers.

    c) No regular creative player until Morrison joined.

    d) There were several games where we were pressured on the ball throughout the whole game. It's a tactic often used by lower prem teams against the big boys, and it works. The downside of us having older players is that we can't do the same ourselves.

    e) Some games just happen like that to all teams.


    Harry had done well to turn us around into playing possession within the first few weeks in the championship. A prem manager and his staff don't become useless because the fans say so. I'm looking forward to new players coming in next season, but whatever league we're in, it's going to be constant catchup and pressure for quite a while until we get a regular team playing each week. That's why the three teams above us are where they are. We may go up and down, I'm ok with that, the long term plan is still on track. We've done well in a short space of time, and we never had the right to be promoted just because of the money that was spent.

    So Harry should stay and see out his contract. He has good connections in football than some other managers could hope for when it comes to getting players in. Just an alternate view.

  • #2
    Don't you think speaking common sense is just to boring it means we can't call him childish names and insults like
    Redcrap
    old saggy chops
    candle wax face

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    • #3
      A very sensible post GG.....just shows a lot of common sense is missing here at times. Too many, too quick, to have a pop at Harry. Top post!

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      • #4
        A good post but the whole "this season" part is based on supposition which if incorrect ruins the whole argument.

        Bearing in mind TFs apparent desperation to go up I hardly believe red chap wad told stick with BZ and AJ especially when you watch the 4 year plan and amits previous understanding if backing a manager mid term if there is a good chance of promotion.

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        • #5
          If he played pretty pretty football and finished 10th he'd still have got dogs ,as it is he has been in the mix from day one all season right to the last and the mugs still dish it out

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dogsrrs View Post
            Don't you think speaking common sense is just to boring it means we can't call him childish names and insults like
            Redcrap
            old saggy chops
            candle wax face
            I like the new korean one, 'red chap' actually. Common sense lasts as long as the goldfish attention span, so no worries there, it will still go on.

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            • #7
              My dislike for redknapp stems from before he took over. IMO he is overrated an outdated.

              i have picked out a few points:

              "I see none of you yet had the nerve to start parading 'HARRY OUT' banners at Loftus Road. You would have been laughed out the ground." - personally im not the sort of person to sit at home, make a banner and bring it to the football. no need to elaborate on that!

              "Harry had done well to turn us around into playing possession within the first few weeks in the championship."- I would personally accredit that to McClaren which is backed by that sudden loss of form after he left.

              "A prem manager and his staff don't become useless because the fans say so." - Interesting point. daniel levy wouldnt agree nor would the FA. And some would argue that you would have to be seen as pretty useful in the first place to be considered becoming useless, an opinion i personally never had. Also maybe the sudden change in form after McClaren's departure disproves this.

              Generally i wouldnt use excerpts from someone's autobiography as proof of something. it could easily be dramatised for the sake of sales and pr and its not like he's going to say:

              "i tried my hardest but it wasnt good enough. maybe these younger coaches are more tactically aware than me, playing no striker with adel as the only front man in some of the prem games was the wrong decision as we needed goals to get out of our predicament, maybe they have more motivation, maybe they dont just go for players that are in their little black book and have vast scouting networks, etc"

              You then pose a few questions about this season and give your opinion on harrys possible responses. not sure what relevance that has. And just because somone doesnt agree with your opinion, doesnt mean they lack common sense!

              Apart from that....great post
              Last edited by Hove Ranger; 07-05-2014, 03:07 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hove Ranger View Post
                You then pose a few questions about this season and give your opinion on harrys possible responses. not sure what relevance that has. And just because somone doesnt agree with your opinion, doesnt mean they lack common sense!
                Sorry, I didn't explain myself clearly there, I was replying to a previous post about anybody's 'common sense' in general, not saying my opinions were better.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Awin View Post
                  A good post but the whole "this season" part is based on supposition which if incorrect ruins the whole argument.

                  Bearing in mind TFs apparent desperation to go up I hardly believe red chap wad told stick with BZ and AJ especially when you watch the 4 year plan and amits previous understanding if backing a manager mid term if there is a good chance of promotion.
                  Heard it from AJ agent that this is exactly what TF said. Use what you have!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by qblockoompah View Post
                    Heard it from AJ agent that this is exactly what TF said. Use what you have!
                    This is what I've believed to be the case for Harry, no deep pockets or free reign. Just a set, minimal budget with a bit of leeway if the rest of the "board" agree to spend a bit extra.

                    A manager's role these days is not so easily defined...

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                    • #11
                      Too much common sense in your post. No one told you but the way to act on a qpr forum is by over reacting.

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                      • #12
                        Greengrass,

                        I'm not going to go down the essay route as I haven't the time but, after having waded through you're post I think that much of what you have written and implied as fact is you're imagination, lots of supposition and previous rumours....

                        All I can comment on with any sort of authority on is matches that I have seen and some of the football I've witnessed has been insipid at best and absolute tripe..... Charlton away was dross of the very lowest order....

                        I'll give Harry Redknapp credit if he does get us promoted but I certainly don't want him and his geriatric ethos at the club next season.....

                        I obviously would love the day out at Wembley and whilst we're there actually win for a change but, if we don't go up then I'd love us to get in a younger man with a vision that includes players being nowhere near the end of their careers...

                        COME ON YOU RRRRRRRRRRRR's

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Greengrass View Post
                          And see out your contract. I'm neither for or against Harry. When I see witch hunts about anything anywhere, not just here, I just go dig out the good stuff no-one wants to know about. So that's why I find all the 'Harry out' stuff hilarious.

                          Most of it based on rants by a few posters which then encourages more people who take it as gospel to jump on any 'blame someone' bandwagon going. It's the same sort of negativity as the stadium 4 gang. The 'Let's see how long we can get a negative thread going in the hope that the club will see it and do what we want them to do' plot. Same as the 'Harry out' gang. Dream on.

                          I see none of you yet had the nerve to start parading 'HARRY OUT' banners at Loftus Road. You would have been laughed out the ground.

                          I could see a situation where we get promoted and all those who are on the 'Harry out' steam-train will never admit fault, and will never give him the praise he would be due. It would be refreshing to see them standing outside the ground first game next season with placards round their necks saying 'Sorry Harry, I got it wrong'.

                          So what's happened under Harry so far.

                          HARRY'S FIRST SEASON

                          Harry Redknapp has lifted the lid on the "undisciplined" QPR squad he discovered when he took the job in November last year.

                          In the third part of a Daily Mail serialisation of his forthcoming autobiography, Redknapp has revealed the full extent of the dressing-room anarchy that was arguably the major factor in Rangers finishing rock bottom of the Premier League last season.

                          The west London club had taken just four points from their opening 13 Premier League games when Redknapp took over at Loftus Road on a two-and-a-half year contract the day after the dismissal of Mark Hughes.

                          Three straight draws and a first win of the season at home to Fulham briefly took them off the foot of the table, and when they beat Sunderland 3-1 in March, they were only four points from safety.

                          However, behind the scenes, Redknapp was fighting a losing battle with certain Rangers players and there was to be no 'Harry Houdini act'. The club failed to win any of their remaining nine league fixtures and were relegated.

                          "Jose Mourinho would not have kept QPR up last season," wrote Redknapp.

                          "The squad I inherited was poorly balanced, undisciplined and short of confidence."

                          Former Portugal defender Jose Bosingwa - a Champions League winner with Chelsea the previous season - was one of the worst culprits, says Redknapp.

                          "I'd had problem players in the past, but I thought Bosingwa's attitude was disgraceful."

                          "I found out the extent of the problem after we beat Fulham and Bosingwa refused to sit on the subs' bench," continued Redknapp. "I'd had problem players in the past, but I thought his attitude was disgraceful.

                          "I fined him two weeks' wages - and that was when I got the shock of my life when I found out how much he was on. Bosingwa's salary was ridiculous.

                          "The problem was, he wasn't the only one. It was scary. Within weeks I had worked out that my best player was Ryan Nelsen, a 35-year-old New Zealand international - and he couldn't wait to get out.

                          "'You've got no chance,' he told me. 'Not a prayer. This is the worst dressing room I've ever been in in my life. You haven't got a hope with this lot. I don't know how you solve it'.

                          "It was a squad full of very average footballers earning more money than they deserved. It made them very arrogant and contemptuous. They would rather come in late every day and just pay the fine than behave in a professional manner."

                          Nelsen left Loftus Road at the end of January to coach Toronto FC in MLS, and although Rangers shelled out over £20million on Loic Remy and Christopher Samba, Redknapp could not save them from the drop.

                          He holds the greatest admiration for defender Clint Hill, voted Player of the Year by supporters.

                          "Clint Hill would run through a brick wall for QPR... he was disgusted with some of the attitudes he encountered."

                          "I felt truly sorry for the guys like Clint Hill," added Redknapp. "He was not the greatest player but he would run through a brick wall for QPR. You could tell he was disgusted with some of the attitudes he encountered.

                          "He didn't have the technical ability of those players but if we had more like him, we might have stayed up. It doesn't matter how good a player is technically - without desire, he is nothing."

                          Rangers have made an excellent start to the new Championship season - they sit joint top of the table - and 66-year-old Redknapp is determined to secure a quick top-flight return.

                          "Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to get Rangers back up," he said.

                          "I spent all summer trying to remedy our problems, shifting certain players out, getting others with the right attitude in.

                          "I know some of these players think they are better than this division but I've been down there and I know there are teams and players that will eat you alive if you are not fully committed.

                          "My priority was to get rid of the troublemakers. Get rid of them before they got rid of us."

                          THIS SEASON

                          1) Harry's remit was to get promotion this season. You can only do that with proven players, not unknowns.

                          These were the main questions that fans wanted answers to.


                          2) Why didn't he buy another striker?

                          Possible reasons. Couldn't get the players he wanted at what ever budget was available. May have been told to use BZ and AJ.


                          3)Why did he buy older players ? And mostly players he knew.

                          See 1)


                          4) Why didn't he buy more younger players?

                          See 1)


                          4) Why doesn't he play the younger players we have?

                          See 1)


                          5) Why doesn't he stand on the touchline?

                          Because he's had a leg operation.


                          6) Why have we played 'rubbish' in quite a few games? Lots of reasons here

                          a) Major and minor injuries leading to constant team changes. It's all very well if the squad have been together for two or three seasons and know each others game inside out. They don't, leading to stop, start, and negative play. That's why games go wrong for any club when they field different teams in cup games.

                          b) The injuries to our wide players, Philips, Hoilett, Traore. There were several games when they were not available which resulted in negative midfield play and no service to strikers.

                          c) No regular creative player until Morrison joined.

                          d) There were several games where we were pressured on the ball throughout the whole game. It's a tactic often used by lower prem teams against the big boys, and it works. The downside of us having older players is that we can't do the same ourselves.

                          e) Some games just happen like that to all teams.


                          Harry had done well to turn us around into playing possession within the first few weeks in the championship. A prem manager and his staff don't become useless because the fans say so. I'm looking forward to new players coming in next season, but whatever league we're in, it's going to be constant catchup and pressure for quite a while until we get a regular team playing each week. That's why the three teams above us are where they are. We may go up and down, I'm ok with that, the long term plan is still on track. We've done well in a short space of time, and we never had the right to be promoted just because of the money that was spent.

                          So Harry should stay and see out his contract. He has good connections in football than some other managers could hope for when it comes to getting players in. Just an alternate view.
                          sorry mate.....life's just way to short to wade through that...

                          could you paraphrase your feelings in a quick soundbite?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Johnnykc View Post
                            sorry mate.....life's just way to short to wade through that...

                            could you paraphrase your feelings in a quick soundbite?
                            Harry Out!

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                            • #15
                              I see Redknapp is up to his usual trick of spouting nonsense, with the usual contradictions in his piece on the official site.

                              Apparently, Wigan have the best squad in the Championship and were his favourites to go up at the start of the season.

                              But Uwe Rosler has done a "remarkable job".

                              Just how "remarkable" a job is getting the best squad in the league to finish 5th? It's this constant nonsense he comes out with that irritates me. And I'm sure I'm not alone.

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