Our proposed 40,000 stadium......

[TBLOCKRANGER]

You need the infrastructure in place before any expansion, its no good waiting till you are doing well and splitting at the seems.
I like the MK stadium, great design which can easily be expanded as and when required at little cost and time.
Chelsea a few years back when playing in the 2nd flight were only getting crowds around what we are getting now.

The Chelsea comparison is a tricky one IMHO.
Throughout time Chelsea always had a massive following, remember 70s & 80s loads of fans in west london would term themselves Chelsea even though they hardly went.
RA money transformed them, first two yrs he spent over £220m on players alone. With success came the crowds but the fan base is still fickle, I know a couple of blokes who had st in Jose first phase as they knew they were guaranteed success but went AWOL once he left as they thought Chelsea were more vulnerable, one said to me in the pub he liked going because they always won what's the point of going to see you lose.
Chelsea have always had a funny fanbase, a lot of association but have peaks and troughs in getting the numbers out.
My concern is 40k stadium = big club. Ufortunately or fortunately what way you look at it we are small, we just haven't got thousands and thousands who associate with the club, fans that turn up are IMHO are vast support ..it's not like pubs in london or wherever are crammed with fans not at the game.
Once you start constructing a 40k stadium you need to be at looking at a club the size of a Everton, Villa sized team but we are more Huddersfield, Watford in size.
If the plan is the regeneration will bring in the numbers, I'm not sure, as a football club isn't a supermarket or cinema.
I would be more confident if TF commenced a mass spending spree on par with Roman and then said we are too small, let's move to a 40k stadium after we would mid table in the premiership and having a great FA cup run in TFs first season.
The reality though is our transfer policy was a joke and whose to say the new build isn't going to take the same route.

[vespa]

The Chelsea comparison is a tricky one IMHO.
Throughout time Chelsea always had a massive following, remember 70s & 80s loads of fans in west london would term themselves Chelsea even though they hardly went.
RA money transformed them, first two yrs he spent over £220m on players alone. With success came the crowds but the fan base is still fickle, I know a couple of blokes who had st in Jose first phase as they knew they were guaranteed success but went AWOL once he left as they thought Chelsea were more vulnerable, one said to me in the pub he liked going because they always won what's the point of going to see you lose.
Chelsea have always had a funny fanbase, a lot of association but have peaks and troughs in getting the numbers out.
My concern is 40k stadium = big club. Ufortunately or fortunately what way you look at it we are small, we just haven't got thousands and thousands who associate with the club, fans that turn up are IMHO are vast support ..it's not like pubs in london or wherever are crammed with fans not at the game.
Once you start constructing a 40k stadium you need to be at looking at a club the size of a Everton, Villa sized team but we are more Huddersfield, Watford in size.
If the plan is the regeneration will bring in the numbers, I'm not sure, as a football club isn't a supermarket or cinema.
I would be more confident if TF commenced a mass spending spree on par with Roman and then said we are too small, let's move to a 40k stadium after we would mid table in the premiership and having a great FA cup run in TFs first season.
The reality though is our transfer policy was a joke and whose to say the new build isn't going to take the same route.

Good post T Block

[vespa]

So when do plastic fans become real supporters in your eyes? As a starting point, we need to get a few new ones (esp kids) through the door first right, and ideally not have them sitting in the school end lower, where water drips on them from all the cracks above!

Becoming a real fan is a gradual thing in my opinion ,something that happens when youve experienced the bad as well as ( what counts for ) the good times, and still stayed loyal.
But i havnt mentioned plastic fans ,in this thread ,so when do they become real fans in YOUR eyes ?
i agree ( as i said in my previous post ) that attracting new fans is a good idea ,and no one makes them sit in the school end lower after all !

[TBLOCKRANGER]

Good post T Block

It's the size thing that concerns me Vesps, I've work in a big organisation in Central london for over 10 years and never met one QPR fan apart from a young bloke who we dealt with externally.
My daughters school is in QPR heartland, no dad in her class supports us and in the whole school only know of 2.
A woman at work said to me the other day you're only the 2nd QPR fan I've even known.
Somehow don't think those living/working in Liverpool, Sunderland, Newcastle, Birmingham have these issues.

[vespa]

It's the size thing that concerns me Vesps, I've work in a big organisation in Central london for over 10 years and never met one QPR fan apart from a young bloke who we dealt with externally.
My daughters school is in QPR heartland, no dad in her class supports us and in the whole school only know of 2.
A woman at work said to me the other day you're only the 2nd QPR fan I've even known.
Somehow don't think those living/working in Liverpool, Sunderland, Newcastle, Birmingham have these issues.

I know what you mean ,i work in a train depot in South London with over 200 drivers and conductors and there are only 3 of us who are Rangers ( and we all go ) its not like the hordes of Chelsea who are out there.

[Hertford Hoop]

The Chelsea comparison is a tricky one IMHO.
Throughout time Chelsea always had a massive following, remember 70s & 80s loads of fans in west london would term themselves Chelsea even though they hardly went.
RA money transformed them, first two yrs he spent over £220m on players alone. With success came the crowds but the fan base is still fickle, I know a couple of blokes who had st in Jose first phase as they knew they were guaranteed success but went AWOL once he left as they thought Chelsea were more vulnerable, one said to me in the pub he liked going because they always won what's the point of going to see you lose.
Chelsea have always had a funny fanbase, a lot of association but have peaks and troughs in getting the numbers out.
My concern is 40k stadium = big club. Ufortunately or fortunately what way you look at it we are small, we just haven't got thousands and thousands who associate with the club, fans that turn up are IMHO are vast support ..it's not like pubs in london or wherever are crammed with fans not at the game.
Once you start constructing a 40k stadium you need to be at looking at a club the size of a Everton, Villa sized team but we are more Huddersfield, Watford in size.
If the plan is the regeneration will bring in the numbers, I'm not sure, as a football club isn't a supermarket or cinema.
I would be more confident if TF commenced a mass spending spree on par with Roman and then said we are too small, let's move to a 40k stadium after we would mid table in the premiership and having a great FA cup run in TFs first season.
The reality though is our transfer policy was a joke and whose to say the new build isn't going to take the same route.

Some good points Tblock

[loneranger]

So when do plastic fans become real supporters in your eyes? As a starting point, we need to get a few new ones (esp kids) through the door first right, and ideally not have them sitting in the school end lower, where water drips on them from all the cracks above!

A bit of rangers ink and a few nickings under ya belt.

[MYU]

See on groupon earlier today they were begging to sell tickets at quite a reduced rate. Certainly cheaper than what I pay as a season ticket holder. This would become the week in,week out norm in a bigger stadium and surely the end to any form of incentive to a season ticket, save for having your own row that is.

I see it on there as well 2 days ago.

[NW_Hoopz]

30 k for a poxy tin pot nothing league cup semi final is amazimg figures imo.

You are correct Kev, 30k is a good crowd, my point was they have built themselves a nigh on 50k capacity stadium , and they get just over 30k for arguably one of their most important games of the season against a well supported Man Utd.

Not sure how any sane person thinks we will 40k week in week out ?

[Kevin Mcleod]

No i really don't think we would either to be honest. But i dont mind if there is nobody near me four or five seats each side, in fact id love itl

[QPR Richard]

You are correct Kev, 30k is a good crowd, my point was they have built themselves a nigh on 50k capacity stadium , and they get just over 30k for arguably one of their most important games of the season against a well supported Man Utd.

Not sure how any sane person thinks we will 40k week in week out ?

Sunderland's average attendance last season was 40,544. This season it's running at 40,620. The league fixture between Sunderland and Man Utd last season attracted 45,426, it was around 90% full. Not sure why you're using one single game to argue your case.

The average would be higher if it was a more successful club.

[stanistheman]

Not that I agree with it in the slightest, but we may not fill the 40,000 capacity but in years to come we would fill seats in the stadium through plastic fans.
I live in Milton Keynes and they have a good turn out for a League 1 side with no history at all, only been to see us there as have strong views on the subject.
If we are in the Premiership once the whole area is built, the support will be there.

I agree. a successful premiership QPR side can attract 30-35,000 for most games and 40,000 for the bigger clubs. but even if they only attracted 25,000 it would still be preferable than staying put knowing 18,300 is the max crowd and no hooe of progress being made.

[WCE]

A bit of rangers ink and a few nickings under ya belt.

Nickings over ink any day. Does time inside count as fast tracking?

[Kevin Mcleod]

Nickings over ink any day. Does time inside count as fast tracking?

Of course, do you even need to ask?

[WCE]

Of course, do you even need to ask?

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