who will join me in the 'we are the 30k max stadium gang'???

[NW_Hoopz]

Show me where I said we'd grow to a max of 30k.

Not a problem to help you with your 'memory' slip Richard

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?174005-What-size-stadium-do-you-want-to-see-and-why/page3

Unfortunately it is my memory that is obviously not up to speed, BECAUSE the figure you actually quoted is 29,000

"Steve, do you think 25k is a good option when there are indications that within four years, new stadiums on average have increased attendances of 60%?

For us that would mean around 29k." QPR Richard 16-12-2013 10.08pm

[Gipper]

No doubt there is a need for a new stadium and other means of income. Not being a killjoy about it but it has been mooted around that that the 24,000 extra homes being incorporated into the scheme will be our new fan base is a joke. We all know it takes decades to build a fan base as the days of being from the area and supporting your team from your patch are dead and buried. Most people now watch football to be associated with a big name so why watch little meaningless QPR whose past glories can be written on the back of a postage stamp. Also do cheap tickets work ? No. We do gain a small increase in numbers for a cup tie against some lower league outfit or a non glamour league match but nowhere in the numbers that are being chuked around and I can't see (for example) QPR v Man U or Liverpool being knocked out for £20 a pop. It has also been stated that this is for the future when some of us will not be here, well if that's 20 years then it's a safe bet that neither will today's owners. The whole thing really is supposition and who knows what the future will bring but I do think from what I've read that TF and Phil Beard are pretty naive and have no idea of football supporters or how us ordinary folk think or what we spend money on. Everyone on here is a QPR follower and most like me go week in and week out regardless of our league standing but we are the die hards who are old fashioned and follow the team where we were born and who's fathers and grandfathers went and wherever we end up and in whatever stadium I wil stil be there along with the 11,000 regular regulars.

[QPR Richard]

Not a problem to help you with your 'memory' slip Richard

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?174005-What-size-stadium-do-you-want-to-see-and-why/page3

Unfortunately it is my memory that is obviously not up to speed, BECAUSE the figure you actually quoted is 29,000

"Steve, do you think 25k is a good option when there are indications that within four years, new stadiums on average have increased attendances of 60%?

For us that would mean around 29k." QPR Richard 16-12-2013 10.08pm

Oh dear, you seem to have taken the figure completely out of context from the original discussion to suit your argument, which of course is totally flawed.

I suggest you do your research a little bit better next time before you start spouting off....

[NW_Hoopz]

Not a problem to help you with your 'memory' slip Richard

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?174005-What-size-stadium-do-you-want-to-see-and-why/page3

Unfortunately it is my memory that is obviously not up to speed, BECAUSE the figure you actually quoted is 29,000

"Steve, do you think 25k is a good option when there are indications that within four years, new stadiums on average have increased attendances of 60%?

For us that would mean around 29k." QPR Richard
16-12-2013 10.08pm

Oh dear, you seem to have taken the figure completely out of context from the original discussion to suit your argument, which of course is totally flawed.

I suggest you do your research a little bit better next time before you start spouting off....

No context needed Richard you asked me to point out where you had ever said we only needed a 30k stadium , quite happy to help ya out mate !

I wasn't 'spouting off' just trying to engage with you in debate, BUT if it is only going to make you angry & abusive I won't bother .........

Funny how 'our' argument is flawed even though you agree with 'us' !

[Olly]

I'm in the 40k gang for the following reasons

Steve, do you think 25k is a good option when there are indications that within four years, new stadiums on average have increased attendances of 60%?

If these figures are acceptable, then our current capacity of 18k would grow to the 29k mentioned above over 4 years.

However, with the attraction of a new stadium and prem football, a 7k initial increase on the 18k would not be too difficult to achieve first season. Could be more.
25k plus 60% equals 40k over 4 years.

I would think that once we establish ourselves back in the prem, our team quality will grow quite fast as TF wants us to stay there.

So why start off at 30k with possibly 25k plus immediately, and then have to spend millions more to rebuild within 2 years?

I'd say Tony has got his figures right for capacity. 40k means more revenue from concerts etc.

Has anyone got the link to the 'new stadium effect'?

[QPR Richard]

No context needed Richard you asked me to point out where you had ever said we only needed a 30k stadium , quite happy to help ya out mate !

I wasn't 'spouting off' just trying to engage with you in debate, BUT if it is only going to make you angry & abusive I won't bother .........

Funny how 'our' argument is flawed even though you agree with 'us' !

Sorry, but you used a quote out of context which was unfair. I have given my full reasons advocating a bigger stadium.

[stanistheman]

So 30,000 with 14,000 spaces and you'll be happy?...How about stay put and watch attendances fall away along with any ambition and interest and watch QPR play in front of 8'000 with 10'000 empty seats?

That would be the scenario if QPR don't move and tray to make progress.
Once upon a time not so long ago, Southampton were playing at the 19,000 capacity The Dell (a ground that made Loftus Rod look like a modern arena).
Now they often play to 30,000 in a brand new comfortable stadium.
Maybe QPR are being a bit ambitious with 40,000, but if things work out as Fernandes and Co. hope, 30,000 will need to be expanded.

I am happy with a 30,000 stadium, as long it comes with permission to expand and this is easily achievable, but to stay at Loftus Road is in my opinion not really an option if a suucessful Premiership club is the objective.

[NW_Hoopz]

Sorry, but you used a quote out of context which was unfair. I have given my full reasons advocating a bigger stadium.

Not sure how you stating directly that you forcast our attendances to be 29,000 can be taken out of context BUT I for one am glad to welcome you into the GANG OF FOUR, the secretary will be in contact in due course to give you the direct debit details for your weekly subs.

[QPRDave]

So are we now all agreed that a NEW stadium is needed? Only there were rumblings about stay where we are

[superhoop67]

So are we now all agreed that a NEW stadium is needed? Only there were rumblings about stay where we are

NO nothing wrong with Loftus Rd

[NW_Hoopz]

So are we now all agreed that a NEW stadium is needed? Only there were rumblings about stay where we are

We all agree on the fact that QPR football club is owned by people who have decided they wish to move the football club to a shiny new multi purpose arena, that is a fact that none of us can change BUT if / when they do move us , we are now 'debating' whether our match-day experience will be enjoyable rattling around in a 40k arena.

Myself I'm over the moon Uncle Tony's right hand man Richard has come out in support of a 30k arena by stating that by his calculations the ABSOLUTE most we can expect the attendances to grow to is 29,000 & that is only achievable IF we somehow manage to discover the secret formula that will keep us in the 'promised' land for the next 100 years ............

Stan Collymore quoted that Aston Villa only sell out once a season against Man Utd in a 42,000 capacity stadium despite having been the midlands most successful club and founder members of the premier league. They are 5 points clear of relegation at present, and only just scraped by when we dropped !

What about West Ham currently in the bottom 3, despite plans to move to the Olympic stadium, I wonder how that will pan out for them once they have dropped out of the promised land ?

[Factamondo]

we will never fill 40000 seatson a regular basis..........fact..........even if we signed messi n ronaldo!

[Olly]

35-40 depending on ticket prices is achievable

[Factamondo]

never

[QPRDave]

We all agree on the fact that QPR football club is owned by people who have decided they wish to move the football club to a shiny new multi purpose arena, that is a fact that none of us can change BUT if / when they do move us , we are now 'debating' whether our match-day experience will be enjoyable rattling around in a 40k arena.

Myself I'm over the moon Uncle Tony's right hand man Richard has come out in support of a 30k arena by stating that by his calculations the ABSOLUTE most we can expect the attendances to grow to is 29,000 & that is only achievable IF we somehow manage to discover the secret formula that will keep us in the 'promised' land for the next 100 years ............

Stan Collymore quoted that Aston Villa only sell out once a season against Man Utd in a 42,000 capacity stadium despite having been the midlands most successful club and founder members of the premier league. They are 5 points clear of relegation at present, and only just scraped by when we dropped !

What about West Ham currently in the bottom 3, despite plans to move to the Olympic stadium, I wonder how that will pan out for them once they have dropped out of the promised land ?

so you're agreed then..............stop p u s s y footing around and just admit you agree...b l o o d y j o c k s can't give a straight answer to nuffin!!