who will join me in the 'we are the 30k max stadium gang'???

[QPR Richard]

qpr have and 'will never ever attract crowds of 40000 to watch them play.............or im a transvestite called honey flapsdown!

Well then Ms Flapsdown, get dressed!

[Factamondo]

richard you will need to show me proof before i don my purple wig and pink stilletoes!

[QPR Richard]

richard you will need to show me proof before i don my purple wig and pink stilletoes!

I heard you don't need any persuasion to dress up!

[NW_Hoopz]

I see you've gone back to misusing a quote of mine. It is true that on average new build stadium attendances rise by around 60%, which for us would mean we'd be close to full within four years in a 30k stadium.

However, you've not even considered beyond that have you? We're building a stadium that will be our home for the next 50-100 years. What's your plan? Build a 30k stadium, open it in three years time, then four years later call the builders in to expand it?

If you'd bothered to study the report I posted at the time, you'd have seen that new build stadium attendances rise even further. The early growth I spoke of happens WITHIN the first four years.

The new stadium is a long term project and therefore needs a long term plan. There's lots of potential growth for the club. If Fulham go down the tubes as many are predicting, if you go anti-clockwise from Arsenal and Spurs, there's only really Chelsea between us and Crystal Palace. Add to that the fact that we will be in a catchment area of 1.8m people, we've only got to attract 1% of that population and we're in business.

And anyway, if we don't attract new fans, we'll simply shrink. New fans are the lifeblood of any club. This isn't just about the present generation of fans.

I want to see our club playing in the top division against the best teams in England in a 21st century stadium surrounded by lots of Rangers fans. The more the merrier I say.

The two key words in your projected 29,000 crowds QUOTE are INDICATIONS & AVERAGE

So are you saying according to your beloved report ( which I did read by the way ) that football attendances continue to rise and rise and rise ? ? ?

So according to your theory of make believe football attendances Fulham shoulld have sold out EVERY game they have ever played in the Premiership and should have a ST waiting list of 4 years or so Eh, cause they are also in the 1.8m catchment area too

Since you brought up the 1.8m catchment area baloney again, where were those 'imaginary' fans during the last stint in the promised land, how many sell outs did we see @ LR when we were top London team in the top league 4 different times ? ? ? ?

Facto has already pointed out the attendances for our 'big' games ...........

You & Uncle T keep chanting the mantra and of course your dreams will come true

[QPR Richard]

The two key words in your projected 29,000 crowds QUOTE are INDICATIONS & AVERAGE

So are you saying according to your beloved report ( which I did read by the way ) that football attendances continue to rise and rise and rise ? ? ?

So according to your theory of make believe football attendances Fulham shoulld have sold out EVERY game they have ever played in the Premiership and should have a ST waiting list of 4 years or so Eh, cause they are also in the 1.8m catchment area too

Since you brought up the 1.8m catchment area baloney again, where were those 'imaginary' fans during the last stint in the promised land, how many sell outs did we see @ LR when we were top London team in the top league 4 different times ? ? ? ?

Facto has already pointed out the attendances for our 'big' games ...........

You & Uncle T keep chanting the mantra and of course your dreams will come true

You're missing the point YET again. It's about the next 50 years and beyond. It is not about the here and now.

Attendances rise to a certain point. They don't keep growing indefinitely. The starting point projection for the first four years indicates a growth to 29k. This is based on an average 60% rise in attendance of a number of clubs with new stadiums. Twist it all you like but those are the facts.

The catchment area I am talking about is NW London. It contains around 1.8m people. Are you saying NW London is Fulham's catchment area, because I didn't.

Fact: we are planning a new stadium in NW London.

Fact: the new stadium is going to be built in a major new London development which is bigger than Canary Wharf.

Fact: NW London has no professional football team.

Fact: NW London has a population of 1.8m people.

Fact: we only need to increase our attendance to at least 36,000 by persuading 1% of the population of NW London to attend matches.

Fact: the chief executive has said the new stadium will be a multi-purpose arena which will put the home of QPR on the map and make it a famous venue, thus increasing the club's profile which in turn will lead to greater interest in the club.

Fact: new stadiums have increased the average attendance of the respective clubs by an average of 60% within four years of opening.

I could continue but you wouldn't understand or comprehend.

[HoopDoggyDogg]

The New Stadium is not all about us though.
The 30,000 Capacity is also to accommodate other events like Boxing, Concerts etc.
Its not being built with just Football in mind.

[W12_Ranger]

in 82 in a crowd of 100,000 we sold barely 28000........fact......86 milk cup final wembley was 16000 below capacity.......fact.......cardiff 2003 we sold 30000 out of 32000 allocation..........fact!

In 1986 the capacity at Wembley Stadium was 100,000, The attendance that day was 96,000, QPR sold in the region of 66,000 tickets which I believe is still a record for a single team at a Wembley cup final.

Though I agree with you about a 40,000 seat stadium, and it is a well known fact that dickie boy has he head up his **** about this one

[QPR Richard]

In 1986 the capacity at Wembley Stadium was 100,000, The attendance that day was 96,000, QPR sold in the region of 66,000 tickets which I believe is still a record for a single team at a Wembley cup final.

Though I agree with you about a 40,000 seat stadium, and it is a well known fact that dickie boy has he head up his **** about this one

......and it is a well-known fact you can't ever put up a counter argument without resorting to insults.

It is also a well- known fact you are the most insulting and negative poster on this board, hence the nickname Victor, as in Meldrew....

Why don't you try and put up a counter argument for once? We know your preference is to stay at LR. Let's hear why you think our future is there.

[superhoop67]

we are not moving to NW london it is a NW postcode ,we are 500yards up Scrubbs Lane ,so why don't none of this 1.8 mill come now

[W12_Ranger]

we are not moving to NW london it is a NW postcode ,we are 500yards up Scrubbs Lane ,so why don't none of this 1.8 mill come now

The man is deluded we are moving to a ground barely a mile from our present and he is harping on about an increased catchment area of 2 million potential fans which hasn't existed all these years.

[QPR Richard]

The man is deluded we are moving to a ground barely a mile from our present and he is harping on about an increased catchment area of 2 million potential fans which hasn't existed all these years.

Says the man who believes our future is at LR because he has a pleasant match day 'experience'

[W12_Ranger]

Says the man who believes our future is at LR because he has a pleasant match day 'experience'

Have never said that , I said I'm happy at LR...you were crying on here yesterday about words being out in your mouth dicky boy yet here you are doing the same

[QPR Richard]

Have never said that , I said I'm happy at LR...you were crying on here yesterday about words being out in your mouth dicky boy yet here you are doing the same

Again says the man who called for name calling to stop. You really contradict yourself don't you?

[vespa]

In 1986 the capacity at Wembley Stadium was 100,000, The attendance that day was 96,000, QPR sold in the region of 66,000 tickets which I believe is still a record for a single team at a Wembley cup final.

we also sold our allocation out in 82 ,even if there were a few spuds in our seats and while we are at it ,i dont remember seeing any empty seats in the play off final either.
There is no doubt in a big final we can pull out good numbers ,but we wont ever fill a 40,000 stadium with Rangers fans on a regular basis . People can bang on about projected figures all they like ,but even if we only had a 30,000 it will have our loyal 13,000 who go now ,a few thousand ,who dont go now because they dont like roughing it at Loftus Rd and the rest would be neutrals and away fans .
We are NOT a big club ,its as simple as that ,40,000 is far too much for us

[W12_Ranger]

we also sold our allocation out in 82 ,even if there were a few spuds in our seats and while we are at it ,i dont remember seeing any empty seats in the play off final either.
There is no doubt in a big final we can pull out good numbers ,but we wont ever fill a 40,000 stadium with Rangers fans on a regular basis . People can bang on about projected figures all they like ,but even if we only had a 30,000 it will have our loyal 13,000 who go now ,a few thousand ,who dont go now because they dont like roughing it at Loftus Rd and the rest would be neutrals and away fans .
We are NOT a big club ,its as simple as that ,40,000 is far too much for us

There was loads of empty seats directly opposite me at the PO final , I think we sold 28500, we had 32000 tickets