Burnley and their bitter little fans

[Stanley]

Don't accept injuries are pure luck. If you have a team of over 30s - many with a very bad history when it comes to fitness - its not exactly bad luck that say Zamora and Johnson have been injured. I'd say it was entirely predictable. And with Charlie's injury, maybe there is an element of bad luck there but if you basically have one fit and able striker at the entire club it is hardly that surprising that at some point in the season he is likely to be injured. Bond admitted even before the injury that we were far too reliant on him. Also its now been fairly well established that different types of training regimes has a big impact on injuries, there is a vast science on all this now. So its bad planning at least as much as bad luck imho.

All good points, however Austin being ruled out for the entire season is genuinely bad luck which could not have been anticipated. And it's not just long-term injuries to our over 30s but younger and key players too like Simpson and now Phillips in all likelihood. Had that happened to Trippier and either of Ings or Vokes they simply wouldn't have coped. Luck isn't the full story but it certainly always plays a part.

[MattyRangers]

[Rangers77]

Ings and Volks have scored one more goal between them than we have managed all season....

[theblackmafia.]

Ings is a quality player but you can stick Vokes up my bumbum. Trippier is over-rated. Not bad going forward but not great defensively.

[lymehoop]

I can take the insults about us buying success because it is basically true, calling us plastic fans though is laughable

[stainrodisalegend]

All good points, however Austin being ruled out for the entire season is genuinely bad luck which could not have been anticipated. And it's not just long-term injuries to our over 30s but younger and key players too like Simpson and now Phillips in all likelihood. Had that happened to Trippier and either of Ings or Vokes they simply wouldn't have coped. Luck isn't the full story but it certainly always plays a part.

OK maybe we can agree on mildly bad luck. Lots of clubs have lost key players for very extended periods - look at Man Utd - but when you have one able striker at the club I don't think QPR can have too many complaints when they are suddenly scrabbling around on deadline day without any money looking for any old cast off - which is basically what we were reduced to, as Harry had the honesty to pretty well admit. As a poster pointed out the other day, Charlie had been over-worked holding the line on his own in the Championship (where you have a lot of mid-week games, and without the luxury of squad rotation). I'm no doctor but I imagine his body was under considerable strain and that may have made him more susceptible to injuries. Posters on here had been warning about the dangers for months but the club did nothing. Admittedly the board probably felt they had already frittered away enough money - but again, that is not bad luck, that is bad management.

[QPRDave]

Ings is a quality player but you can stick Vokes up my bumbum. Trippier is over-rated. Not bad going forward but not great defensively.

I think like the poster put earlier, we should've taken Ings right out and hopefully put him out for a few weeks, that'd have sunk their season imo in one swoop. For me Vokes is nothing special
it's Ings that gets them ticking and who has given Vokes a new lease of life.

[hal9thou]

Hand on heart we all know the football planning side has been chaotic at Rs since the beginning of the current golden age.....

[Factamondo]

couldnt agree more.....from badge change/boutique c club/ extortionate ticketing /rip off agents we have been royally shafted!

[Stanley]

OK maybe we can agree on mildly bad luck. Lots of clubs have lost key players for very extended periods - look at Man Utd - but when you have one able striker at the club I don't think QPR can have too many complaints when they are suddenly scrabbling around on deadline day without any money looking for any old cast off - which is basically what we were reduced to, as Harry had the honesty to pretty well admit. As a poster pointed out the other day, Charlie had been over-worked holding the line on his own in the Championship (where you have a lot of mid-week games, and without the luxury of squad rotation). I'm no doctor but I imagine his body was under considerable strain and that may have made him more susceptible to injuries. Posters on here had been warning about the dangers for months but the club did nothing. Admittedly the board probably felt they had already frittered away enough money - but again, that is not bad luck, that is bad management.

I agree with you there. I actually raised the lack of striker cover with Harry himself at the last fans forum, to which he replied that he had enquired about other strikers in the summer but none came off. He also admitted to not anticipating the injuries to AJ and Zamora.

I think we can all accept that at his age Harry isn't the long-term manager for us and TF only went for him in the desperate hope that he could keep us up last season, but it was always touch and go in the summer whether he'd stay on or not. I imagine TF knows this full well too considering how much he speaks about wanting to build long-term and stable foundations for the club.

[Shania]

Yes, I do also think we get relegated.

[stainrodisalegend]

I agree with you there. I actually raised the lack of striker cover with Harry himself at the last fans forum, to which he replied that he had enquired about other strikers in the summer but none came off. He also admitted to not anticipating the injuries to AJ and Zamora.

I think we can all accept that at his age Harry isn't the long-term manager for us and TF only went for him in the desperate hope that he could keep us up last season, but it was always touch and go in the summer whether he'd stay on or not. I imagine TF knows this full well too considering how much he speaks about wanting to build long-term and stable foundations for the club.

Interesting, and also damning. Why on earth should Redknapp have been surprised by their injuries? I don't think any of US were. Zamora could barely walk towards the end of last season and how many games has Johnson played in the last three years? I'm neither a Harry lover or a Harry hater but from what you say it seems that the Harry regime has - in its own, slightly saner way - been just as much about short-term fixes as the disastrous Hughes regime. With the exception of Austin (who is no teenager and in any case cost £4m) we haven't developed a single young player who we own in the two and a half years of this regime. You can't fault Tony's commitment but he has been phenomenally badly advised and I'm not convinced it has got any better.

[QPR71]

Last season our squad was considered too strong to go down - its all based on reputation, not performance. We have an entirely new strike force which even Harry admits he doesn't have a clue how it will work. The rest of the team that is still with us has scored about 10 goals between them all season. Think some fans are incredibly complacent about the predicament we are in given the players now available. And before you say it yes I do realise we are second, but that is largely living on past glories and Charlie's goals.

how does that work on our current points tally

[stainrodisalegend]

how does that work on our current points tally

We currently average 2 points out of 3. Am struggling to see that continuing and reckon for the remaining 20 games we will average about 1.5 points about without Charlie. Purely my guess and hope I'm wrong.

[Kevin Mcleod]

I agree with you there. I actually raised the lack of striker cover with Harry himself at the last fans forum, to which he replied that he had enquired about other strikers in the summer but none came off. He also admitted to not anticipating the injuries to AJ and Zamora.

I think we can all accept that at his age Harry isn't the long-term manager for us and TF only went for him in the desperate hope that he could keep us up last season, but it was always touch and go in the summer whether he'd stay on or not. I imagine TF knows this full well too considering how much he speaks about wanting to build long-term and stable foundations for the club.

No manager is long term these days, and i think harry will be in the game for another five to ten years.