We Were 24th out of 24 TEAMS In the Championship

[qblockpete]

Benny

People bang on about De Canio, but let's face it...he wasn't good

Your taking too many sherbets. you never missed a game under him. 12 wins, 11 draws to take us from bottom to top8 was a good achievement considering the guy couldn't speak English.

You know why he done so well?

fans were high on the belief that Flavio was the saviour, it was a joy to go and watch QPR, the place was buzzing. It was positive, it was all the things the club is not now.

You can proportion blame to the board, but personally think all aspects of the football club contribute from board to players, to manager and yes fans. If the vibe is negative, I hardly expect the players to put in awe aspiring performance

[Jamie]

people are disillusioned about ticket prices, lack of desire/caring/respect from players, managers and board members, graded matches, new badge, gaudy kits, c club, the list goes on and on...

in the nicest possible way the fact that fans are paying top dollar prices to buy into a supposedly professional club, yet the club has got more leaks than the Titanic dripping down to fans and despite the club knowing where the leak is they have no intention of patching it up

[BennyBoyRs]

Not what I'm saying, and you know it. Of course he needs and deserves more time. Not the point.

You didn't want Magilton, you wanted better, so did I, so did everyone.

What I'm asking is why did we have such a poor shortlist, and why does our reputation in the LMA stink?

It's not about scapegoats, it's about collective responsibilty. And that starts at the top.
Magilton, Calderwood and Boothroyd. That was our shortlist... why is that?

You know why... but just can't admit it on here.

I agree with all that is in red.

The last bit bugs me as so many still believe Pete has some sort of input in the team or that his opinion is enticed more by GP. How do I know this? Because Pete is a good mate of mine who I see on a very regular basis. Yeah, he changes his opinion like the british weather, but it's still his opinion. He does not need others to make them for him, that I can vouch for.

[Nodge70]

Attendances in the three seasons of 02/03, 03/04 and 04/05 were far in excess of what they are now - two of those at a lower level. At the end of 04/05 GP and BP made the abysmal decision to hike the season ticket and match ticket prices to wallet emptying levels. GP admitted a mistake and put in a reduction for 06/07 but, by then, the first stage of the damage had been done.

At 24th in the Championship, we were paying lower end Championship prices, we are now paying top end Premier League prices for similar sub standard product when we were promised the stars. Managing expectation?

We have a genuinely nice guy as a Sporting Director who is chucking money left right and centre at some very poor players, on ridiculously long contracts, in positions we don't need strengthening in and leaving the squad dangerously unbalanced and let's face it, managers who cannot do the job entrusted to them without the owner and other chipping away.

This combined with the clubs inability to engage with the support base or offer decent products in the Club Shop has lead to the current levels of inertia and despondency.

Pete, if you, or anyone else at the club really and truly don't know this, then they are all far more out of touch than even I thought.

Worrying, truly worrying.

[BennyBoyRs]

Benny

People bang on about De Canio, but let's face it...he wasn't good

Your taking too many sherbets. you never missed a game under him. 12 wins, 11 draws to take us from bottom to top8 was a good achievement considering the guy couldn't speak English.

You know why he done so well?

fans were high on the belief that Flavio was the saviour, it was a joy to go and watch QPR, the place was buzzing. It was positive, it was all the things the club is not now.

You can proportion blame to the board, but personally think all aspects of the football club contribute from board to players, to manager and yes fans. If the vibe is negative, I hardly expect the players to put in awe aspiring performance

Pete, I hadn't missed a game before him, nor did I miss many after so that has absolutely #### all to do with it and you know it. His inability to keep us defending to the full-time whistle cost us a play-off spot. We had one of the WORST defensive records in the league under him, so how is that good?

[rblockells]

attendances in the three seasons of 02/03, 03/04 and 04/05 were far in excess of what they are now - two of those at a lower level. At the end of 04/05 gp and bp made the abysmal decision to hike the season ticket and match ticket prices to wallet emptying levels. Gp admitted a mistake and put in a reduction for 06/07 but, by then, the first stage of the damage had been done.

At 24th in the championship, we were paying lower end championship prices, we are now paying top end premier league prices for similar sub standard product when we were promised the stars. Managing expectation?

We have a genuinely nice guy as a sporting director who is chucking money left right and centre at some very poor players, on ridiculously long contracts, in positions we don't need strengthening in and leaving the squad dangerously unbalanced and let's face it, managers who cannot do the job entrusted to them without the owner and other chipping away.

This combined with the clubs inability to engage with the support base or offer decent products in the club shop has lead to the current levels of inertia and despondency.

Pete, if you, or anyone else at the club really and truly don't know this, then they are all far more out of touch than even i thought.

Worrying, truly worrying.

spot on.

[Kit]

Benny, don't agree.

Think we are fortunate, we have become impatient and bad losers, without looking at the bigger picture. Have to say, I don't blame any members of the board at all. Thats not towing any party line, I blame the lack of heart by the players.

Nail on the head ! All you hear lately is blame the board for this blame the board for that, some of our so called fans should start taking a look at themselves, it is us who are turning into impatient whinging bad losers !

[WeAreQPR12]

I have to agree with Benny on this occassion.
Dowie was the best manager we had but was never given a chance.
All this hype about De canio is not really justified.
We had an awful defence and I know from 1 of the players that once again a little like now there were big issue's behind the scene. The guy had an issue getting his views across, a little like Jim going by the way we come out in the 2nd half of games.

[Nodge70]

Pete, I hadn't missed a game before him, nor did I miss many after so that has absolutely #### all to do with it and you know it. His inability to keep us defending to the full-time whistle cost us a play-off spot. We had one of the WORST defensive records in the league under him, so how is that good?

Less not forgetting that Briatore kindly provided De Canio with Messers Connolly, Hall, Leigertwood, Delaney and Mahon within a few days of taking over..............

[Sharpy]

It would have been spot on,had he included Bill power,into the increased ticket prices also.

[Nodge70]

It would have been spot on,had he included Bill power,into the increased ticket prices also.

I did.

"GP and BP"


Thanuverymuch

[Robbo]

I agree with all that is in red.

The last bit bugs me as so many still believe Pete has some sort of input in the team or that his opinion is enticed more by GP. How do I know this? Because Pete is a good mate of mine who I see on a very regular basis. Yeah, he changes his opinion like the british weather, but it's still his opinion. He does not need others to make them for him, that I can vouch for.

Well you've accused him of saying things in private, but changing his tune on here.
Anyway, moving on...

I know he's a QPR fan, I know he has his own opinions, and I know he has no input in the team.... I've never said that.

What I'm saying is he swerves the chance to admit things on here, and I think he knows exactly why we ended up with Magilton, and why far better/proven managers wouldn't come anywhere near us.

We all know why, the difference is... I genuinely believe that the reputation we have in football is caused by the way the football club has been run, and that our failure to appoint the right manager is the single biggest factor in the situation we find ourselves in.
Get the right manager... the very best we can get, and everything else falls into place. Everything.

But we can't, and that is the fault of Flavio Briatore... and the structure/policy we have.

[BennyBoyRs]

Nail on the head ! All you hear lately is blame the board for this blame the board for that, some of our so called fans should start taking a look at themselves, it is us who are turning into impatient whinging bad losers !

Brilliant post.

So...the board are not to blame for not having capable strikers?
The board are not to blame for having one crap manager after the other?
The board are not to blame for the high turn over of these crap managers?
The board are not at fault for chosing to spend the money on C-Club rather than the team?

I have always been positive, but this is one season too far. I'm glad you're happy with the team and the lack of a striker. I'm please that you feel we're on target to acchieve what we were promised. I bet you're the type who'd be happy to go to an expensive restaurant and eat corned beef when you ordered a Fillet Steak.

[paulmason]

Well you've accused him of saying things in private, but changing his tune on here.
Anyway, moving on...

I know he's a QPR fan, I know he has his own opinions, and I know he has no input in the team.... I've never said that.

What I'm saying is he swerves the chance to admit things on here, and I think he knows exactly why we ended up with Magilton, and why far better/proven managers wouldn't come anywhere near us.

We all know why, the difference is... I genuinely believe that the reputation we have in football is caused by the way the football club has been run, and that our failure to appoint the right manager is the single biggest factor in the situation we find ourselves in.
Get the right manager... the very best we can get, and everything else falls into place. Everything.

But we can't, and that is the fault of Flavio Briatore... and the structure/policy we have.

How anyone can argue with that is beyond me.

[qblockpete]

I am not a club spokesman nor do I get paid for having an opinion.

Reality is, we have become a big bunch of whinging losers and I'll even bracket myself into that. In reality, what do I expect?

15,000 fans turned up for the game against Blackpool and its gone down to 11,000 against peterborough.

Why is that?

We expected to beat Blackpool and now 4,000 odd, have turned away from games until we start to win some. Thats what it is all about. We'll find scapegoats by blaming everyone else, shirley we are all in it collectively?

Look, end of the day we do nopt all agree. A percentage will blame GP, some will blame Flavio, some will blame the manager, some will blame the players, others will say we haven;t got any strikers, or combination of all those things.

All I am saying is no-one says us the fans are to blame for expecting too much and its far to early after 6 games, to draw any conclusions on how the season will pan out. if these players turned up to an atmosphere similar to Birmingham ( I wasn;t even there)of last season, don;t you think it gives the place a lift?