We Were 24th out of 24 TEAMS In the Championship

[Robbo]

Oh Pete for Christ sakes!!
You've had it explained 1,000 times, but it doesn't seem to register. (No offence meant).
It's so superficial to just blame the manager, or a few players, it goes so much deeper than that.

Ok.... Just TRY and answer this one simple question, and think about it:

Why is QPR's reputation among the LMA, the media, and football in general so low that we ended up with a very limited choice of managers... so low that we ended up with Jim Magilton???

You've admitted yourself only yesterday that our reputation is all wrong, so why the limited choice we had last time, and next time?

Do you not agree that the manager is the most important part of a football club? And were you not very dissapointed to end up with Magilton?
Why was our choice so limited?

We are seen as damaged goods, and a no-go zone by most managers. Why is that, when we are relatively wealthy, in a great location, and have always been seen as a decent club?


Think about it Pete. You KNOW why.

[Stedders]

There's no one answer or issue. I think the board did have a massive chance this season though to put right a few mistakes, notably by appointing a manager with a proven track record, who is still hungry and who players would automatically respect. I think they failed on that front dismally.

We shall see how JM does, but he has come into a job which probbaly was much better suited someone more experienced and successful.

[rblockells]

Talk to few football pundits in the media,ex-players,journalists,broadcasters,and see what impression they have of the way QPR is being run.

Could it be that they are ALL wrong and you and Conners are right?

[qblockpete]

Sharpy and Ben,

I'm not in agrement with the higher prices, that should come after success.

I'm not in agreement with selling our best striker and not replacing him.

I'm not in agreement with chopping and changing the team on the back of a draw.

I am totally fed up with the players passion, which is non-existent.

But, come on lets be real. Its easy to point the finger at other people';s mistakes and not admit our own. Thats very easy to do.

The players get booed walking home, they get booed if they misplace a pass, they get booed if they join the club at the start as in the case of Cerny and Ramage. They are never given a chance by our impatient fans. What are we booing for????? We are mid-table after 6 games. I feel down in the dumps after a bad performance, but its matter of putting it right in your next game. the constant moaning and groaning, about this and that by some is so annoying. Its the same people, that will probably be in there armchairs tonight watching champions League and flickiing over to check our score. Flavio may not be the nicest fella in the world, but he normally succeeds in business and whether we like it or not powers like SKY have made clubs like ours, a business. The ones who are critical now, will be queuing for a ticket come April if we look like going up.




Okay, those comments will not go down well, but thats a reality. All, I am saying is in many respects we are all to blame, just to point the finger and find scapegoats is an easy option.

[ollyhoops]

When these guys took over, why so much animosity towards the board?

I'm not happy, but don;t know how Flavio, bernie and Amit can be blamed??

The way we go on, its as if they enjoy losing !!

what about the continuous appointing and sacking of managers in 2 years? I think we've had 6 appointments and all have been wrong..


Our reputation is low and we are a laughing stock. Q.P. HA HA HA HA HA is all I hear nowadays.....

[qblockpete]

Robbo, you cannot assess a manager after 6 games.

And, no I didn't do that with Sousa.

He is under pressure already, how ridiculous is that?

[BennyBoyRs]

Pete, the fans who use scapegoats and boo them are such a small minority of the club, so don't try that one as it doesn't wash well.

And in any case...the players are booed when under performing.
They under perform due to poo management.
The manager is appointed by...Oh yeah...Flavio, so there's your problem.

The above three lines is a very, very shortened version, but I thought I'd give to the quick route as explaining in detail seems to get lost very easilly.

[BennyBoyRs]

Robbo, you cannot assess a manager after 6 games.

And, no I didn't do that with Sousa.

He is under pressure already, how ridiculous is that?

Not ridiculous in the slightest Pete as in all honesty, we should never really have appointed him. We've had a succession of poor managers since Olly left and they have all added to the demise of the club.

People bang on about De Canio, but let's face it...he wasn't good. Yeah, we scored, but we couldn't defend for s**t. Some liked Sousa who had the exact opposite in his team. Dowie for me was the best we had sind Flav took over, and he wasn't exactly great was he? At least we were in a half decent position when he left.

[qblockpete]

If 500 supporters boo after a draw, it gets heard.

The bad feeling then extends to more, the next time around. I'm all for pressure for players to win, but come on, we go overboard.

Cerny and ramage hardly played 90 minutes and were getting it. Loftus Road has become a very uncomfortable place to play. No worries, with that if we are bottom, but lets get some prospective here

[ollyhoops]

Well,

The squad have an opportunity tonight to put in a real top perfromance and to win the game at home in style... if they do that then people will start to believe again and will begin or kick start our season...

If they can't win tonight then I do not know what the answer is...

[Robbo]

Robbo, you cannot assess a manager after 6 games.

And, no I didn't do that with Sousa.

He is under pressure already, how ridiculous is that?

Not what I'm saying, and you know it. Of course he needs and deserves more time. Not the point.

You didn't want Magilton, you wanted better, so did I, so did everyone.

What I'm asking is why did we have such a poor shortlist, and why does our reputation in the LMA stink?

It's not about scapegoats, it's about collective responsibilty. And that starts at the top.
Magilton, Calderwood and Boothroyd. That was our shortlist... why is that?

You know why... but just can't admit it on here.

[paulmason]

If 500 supporters boo after a draw, it gets heard.

The bad feeling then extends to more, the next time around. I'm all for pressure for players to win, but come on, we go overboard.

Cerny and ramage hardly played 90 minutes and were getting it. Loftus Road has become a very uncomfortable place to play. No worries, with that if we are bottom, but lets get some prospective here

Could it be that some players are just as fed up as we are when they are played out of position or sitting on the bench for no reason ?

[stainrod10]

its all about lack of passion and attitude.

AKA not good enough.

[Sharpy]

Two things have really stood out to me from reading all the threads on here.

1)I miss the pre and post match,meeting up with mates.

2)I enjoyed going to the Rangers,when we were a 2nd division team.

Within those two statements,are all the reasons why,at this moment in time,only 11,000 people will walk through the turnstiles.

[BennyBoyRs]

If 500 supporters boo after a draw, it gets heard.

The bad feeling then extends to more, the next time around. I'm all for pressure for players to win, but come on, we go overboard.

Cerny and ramage hardly played 90 minutes and were getting it. Loftus Road has become a very uncomfortable place to play. No worries, with that if we are bottom, but lets get some prospective here

Pete, that was down to a small amount of 4rse holes that we have at the club. A problem that happens at every club, this is the nature of the game. Losing their little baby in Lee 'flapper' Camp was unbearable for the young kiddies at LR, so much that they vented the anger towards Cerny. Something I hope even they now realise was a pathetic act.

Ramage was unfairly criticised for a different reason. He was the new Zesh Rehman. Every club needs someone to blame. Richard Dunn at Man City has to be one one the biggest examples of a boo boy. No matter how good a game he had, he'd always get stick.