In regards To Buying Players

[stainrodisalegend]

Agree with many of the posts here. Rather than taking players like Simpson on loan I'd rather spend the money on buying a hungry rough diamond from the lower leagues. Or failing that maybe even just developing our own youngsters like Balanta. After all, if we are saying we can't go up yet on these attendances then we may as well build for the future. You aren't building a sound base if several of your key players are loans.

[stan_bowles]

Yes, I know, but my original post mis-typed the worh hardly, since amended - but even so, Pete totally mis-read my point. It doesn't take superstars and the best players in the world to play as a team, fight and scrap for knock downs, 50;50 balls and second phase balls, nor do you need to be the most gifted players to pass the ball to your own team. Clearly Scunny managed that at least 4 times on Saturday, so did we.......on no hang on a minute, we didn't copete for any lose ball, pass it to our own players or look like scoring 4 goals against another very ordinary team - on our own patch :embarrassed:

Stoke are a prime example.One of the weakest squads in the Prem,but they battle hard and give 100% and have made themselves a tough team to beat.With the squad we have we should be performing better.Lack of effort seems to be prominent.

[vblockranger]

we're seeing what we have paid for,no more no less.a totally unbalanced squad,a failed manager out of his depth,and a sporting director who is clearly not fit for the position.

spot on post, its reality

[eghamR]

Look, I'm cheesed off but our expectations maybe a shade too high.

Who raised those expectations in the first place?

[stan_bowles]

Who raised those expectations in the first place?

Ahhh!,the old Champions League in 4 years time plan.

:tired:

[Nodge70]

Burnley had lower gates than us.

They got promoted.

[highgradeR]

buying individual players who have their own agenda is not going to improve us as a team,we would be better off with a team of "lesser players"as they would work together to produce results.things will not change until the manager brings the players in and not flab and gp

Absolutely right.

The thing that nobody seems to see and realise, even though this board is full of experts, is that yet again we have a manager who cant/wont implament a system that the players understand and suits them.

Peterborough had a team of nobodies, yet their organisation and team play enabled them to dominate us for long periods. Our players just didn't have a clue, and when the opportunity to attack they were either running into each other, loose the ball, or hoof it to simpson.

Something is seriously wrong at the club, because it seems JM just sends the players out to play and see what happens. There is absolutely no cohesion about the team, nobody knows what the other is doing, and in so oppositon teams are able to dominate us.

I'd be amazed if spurs,aresnal,wigan dont recall their loan players before we destroy them totally.

[Scarlet pimple]

If the club linked prices to performancies who much is watching QPR worth.

[Robbo]

Bluehoop- you did say "hardly brimming with class players" in your original posting - it was QBP who misread it.

He edited it, after he realised a very important word had been missed out.




Anyway...Pete, You seem to be missing the point... you said it yourself in the first line:

We had 11,000 on saturday - the lowest in the league, paying the highest prices in the league.
Please say you don't think fans were missing in their thousands just because we haven't spent millions on players??

The reason more and more fans are going missing is not as simple as that.

Prices.
The terrible atmosphere.
The growing apathy of fans who are fed up with all this mess and lack of cohesion and direction.
The s**t facilities of certain areas of the ground, comapared with the caviar and chandeliers in others (that are half empty).
The attitude of too many players who seem happy to coast through games.
Mediocre managers, and too many players who are the same.
Others will have their own reason to add - they are mine.


It's so easy to lay blame for the shambles we are at the door of one thing.
The players, the manager, GP, FB, the fans themselves, the recession, referees, you name it and they've been blamed.

At the moment, you seem to be blaming the players.. and yes, they should of course face up to their responsibiliy as much as anyone else.
So should the manager.
So should the fans during the game, and stop turning on each other.
So should the worlds banking system for sparking the global recession!

But... they've all been hit hard by the failures of the last 2/3 years.
Who hasn't?? and who is still in a nice job, and has not once carried the can for the failures on the pitch and around the club that has led to the negativity surrounding QPR right now?
And who are in charge and responsible at the highest level, and have the title of "Sporting Director", or "Chairman" that SURELY means they should be accountable for a large amount of the problems we have, on and off the pitch?

Players are dropped, 6 managers have been sacked/removed, fans are left deflated and paying more for it out of their own pockets.... but when are those who are actually IN CHARGE of the whole club and it's policies going to put their hands up and accept some responsibilty for their part in all this??

Drop a player, sack a manager, raise the prices... everyone else pays the price and takes responsibility, why not them?? Why are they exempt from the trap door? And blindly defended, when everyone else is judged on results?

And why is anyone who points the finger at them, and questions them, and aims some of the blame at them accused of being ungrateful and negative, when it's perfectly ok to #### a player, or a manager, or the people that pay out in money, time, effort, emotion to support it - the lifeblood of the club... long after all the others are dead and gone??


If FB cannot admit his failings so far, cannot bring himself to listen to the fans occasionally, cannot change his ways and learn from mistakes, cannot admit that he need specialist football people to advise him and help him... then he should just GO.
And take GP with him.


I was so positive about FB, GP and all the rest of "The Project" about a year ago, so I'm not just being all "anti-GP/FB" for the sake of it... but they've failed, and taken no responsibility for that.
Other have, and still are.

[bobbins]

Hi there,

I really value QBP's contribution but I think you other guys are right here. Many fans are *****s who have no grasp on reality. But most are sensible and are right to say that expectations to beat the likes of Blackpool, Peterborough at home and occasionally score more than one a game are not high at all, really.

What I wanted to say to Pete too was that what may be perceived by fans as a lack of effort or concern from players may well actually be a lack of belief instead - both belief in oneself and one's teammates' ability to change the situation.

The body language that communicates a lack of confidence can often be misconstrued as a lack of interest, whereas actually the opposite may be true.

I still believe it will come good but it may take some time.

[bobbins]

I can't believe the word "i.d.i.o.t" was just censored!

[baz]

Absolutely right.

The thing that nobody seems to see and realise, even though this board is full of experts, is that yet again we have a manager who cant/wont implament a system that the players understand and suits them.

Peterborough had a team of nobodies, yet their organisation and team play enabled them to dominate us for long periods. Our players just didn't have a clue, and when the opportunity to attack they were either running into each other, loose the ball, or hoof it to simpson.

Something is seriously wrong at the club, because it seems JM just sends the players out to play and see what happens. There is absolutely no cohesion about the team, nobody knows what the other is doing, and in so oppositon teams are able to dominate us.

I'd be amazed if spurs,aresnal,wigan dont recall their loan players before we destroy them totally.

I disagree with that wholeheatedly. JM does have a system it is very very specific the problem is it is unsuited to the squad and totally muddled, he wants to play tippy tappy passing and moving which is great but to do that you can't play dribbling wingers who won't pass and move and who try and dribble from insside their own half or the halfway line. If that is the way he wants to play, drop Routledge, Drop Hogan, maybe keep taarbat where he is but play Faurlin on the left buzzacky on the right, Watson and Rowly in the middle, you'll then get your pass and move triangles. However as well pushing legs to right back he needs a good footballing left back as well. The other problem with his system is that if you are not prepared to go from back to front quickly at all, even with pace upfront, the opposition back 4 can sit really high (as Posh did on Saturday) and the midfield has no space.

[Nodge70]

Hi there,

I really value QBP's contribution but I think you other guys are right here. Many fans are *****s who have no grasp on reality. But most are sensible and are right to say that expectations to beat the likes of Blackpool, Peterborough at home and occasionally score more than one a game are not high at all, really.

What I wanted to say to Pete too was that what may be perceived by fans as a lack of effort or concern from players may well actually be a lack of belief instead - both belief in oneself and one's teammates' ability to change the situation.

The body language that communicates a lack of confidence can often be misconstrued as a lack of interest, whereas actually the opposite may be true.
I still believe it will come good but it may take some time.

You can usually tell the difference. From a player genuinely lack in confidence (and ability), but trying - eg Borrowdale to someone who quite clearly didn't look bothered (Vine). The devil is in the detail.

[bobbins]

totally disagree.
Vine is the same player who came in throughout the summer to try to get as fit as possible for the new season. He's also the same player who wants to stay to fight for his place rather than go out on loan.
I think your analysis is simplistic rather than looking at "the detail" and I think it proves my point - that a lack of self-belief can be interpreted wrongly as a lack of interest or commitment

[qprdad]

Crowds are poor because the football served up by the players we've got is poor. As simple as that.

But .... this real question is WHY is the football served up by the players so poor?