What size stadium do you want to see and why?

[QPR71]

So its wrong and futile to be concerned that the club we love is going to change beyond all recognition at the whim of rich foreign businessmen ?

this sentence would have an ordinary language philosopher jumping for joy........

"whim of a rich foreign business man"....more than one man at least 4 on the board.....being rich is a given or they wouldn't be the board and im glad they are...
foreign im guessing is designed to make them appear wrong and vilianous.......

"change beyond all recognition"......it will change as will the game...beyond all recognition is simply not true....things will change equally if they don't expand...that is a
law of nature and a fact of time

so two sides of a sentence....on your side logical concern, on the other side, damage to the club by a mindless uncaring foreigner just cos he's rich....
slightly unbalanced question.

you imply I said its wrong to be concerned when in fact I said your concern is wrong imo......just as the gang of four were wrong in their insular views
which led to china contracting and moving backwards....it was futile because you cannot hold back the march of time as the gang of four found out
all you can do is roll with the changes and make the best of the outcome

[NW_Hoopz]

Groundshare. Would people rather ground share with
Fulham or would they rather groundshare with bands, boxers etc. ?

I'm sure no one cares who performs on stage while we aren't playing there BUT we do care about OUR ground being designed for the other performers .......... As Uncle Tony appears to now agree , a 40k stadium would not be 'fit for purpose' as a
home ground for QPR FOOTBALL CLUB


PS any luck finding a report to show how we are going to enjoy our matchday experience in a half empty soulless stadium yet ?

[QPR Richard]

I'm sure no one cares who performs on stage while we aren't playing there BUT we do care about OUR ground being designed for the other performers .......... As Uncle Tony appears to now agree , a 40k stadium would not be 'fit for purpose' as a
home ground for QPR FOOTBALL CLUB


PS any luck finding a report to show how we are going to enjoy our matchday experience in a half empty soulless stadium yet ?

Not found it yet. QPR Dave put up a link and I used the inormation contained in that link to write my post. It's buried somewhere on here.

Where did you get the info from that TF said a 40k stadium would not be fit for purpose? I've seen nothing that says he's backed down from 40k.

[QPRDave]

This what you looking for Richard?

http://footballplc.weebly.com/the-new-stadium-effect.html

[QPR Richard]

This what you looking for Richard?

http://footballplc.weebly.com/the-ne...um-effect.html

That's the one mate. Thanks.

[brightonr]

Could someone please explain why certain posters keep making an attempt to make Richard look silly by banging on about some so called report.

From where I stand, he seems to have done nothing other than refer to a few various written opinions and statistical facts that would appear to back up his own views. Surely the grown up way to respond would be to back up the alternative view with some similarly relevant opinions and stats.

I would love to see our club be a permanent, competetive side in the Prem, with a shiny new stadium that is the envy of the football community. How fantastic it could be when the new generations of fans, (our children and grandchildren) are in it with us, along with the thousands of youngsters who we gave the opportunity to support someone other than the London sides that have been traditionally successful, or in Chelsea's case, bought their success. Would love us to win titles and cups, or at the very least compete for them. Surely every true Rangers fan wants us to win every game and be successful in everything we do. I can understand people being concerned, worried even, as to what the different future may hold. Try viewing it the way that some of us do, who can remember very well the days when we were London's top club for five years on the trot. The days when Chelsea's crowds were rarely bigger than ours, when we had the better team, the better ground and the better future. Things change, in football as in life. We allowed Chelsea to get bigger by not stopping them ourselves. Maybe we didn't have the opportunity. Or maybe we simply were too scared to take advantage of one.

[W12_Ranger]

Could someone please explain why certain posters keep making an attempt to make Richard look silly by banging on about some so called report.From where I stand, he seems to have done nothing other than refer to a few various written opinions and statistical facts that would appear to back up his own views. Surely the grown up way to respond would be to back up the alternative view with some similarly relevant opinions and stats.

I would love to see our club be a permanent, competetive side in the Prem, with a shiny new stadium that is the envy of the football community. How fantastic it could be when the new generations of fans, (our children and grandchildren) are in it with us, along with the thousands of youngsters who we gave the opportunity to support someone other than the London sides that have been traditionally successful, or in Chelsea's case, bought their success. Would love us to win titles and cups, or at the very least compete for them. Surely every true Rangers fan wants us to win every game and be successful in everything we do. I can understand people being concerned, worried even, as to what the different future may hold. Try viewing it the way that some of us do, who can remember very well the days when we were London's top club for five years on the trot. The days when Chelsea's crowds were rarely bigger than ours, when we had the better team, the better ground and the better future. Things change, in football as in life. We allowed Chelsea to get bigger by not stopping them ourselves. Maybe we didn't have the opportunity. Or maybe we simply were too scared to take advantage of one.

Because Richard is silly he finds a report on other clubs stadium and preaches to the rest of us like its gospel and that our crowds will increase year on year just like this report says so. He then gets shirty when his logic is questioned by fellow posters...could you imagine the stick that would fly about if weareqpr12 posted this up and behaved in this way.

[QPR Richard]

Because Richard is silly he finds a report on other clubs stadium and preaches to the rest of us like its gospel and that our crowds will increase year on year just like this report says so. He then gets shirty when his logic is questioned by fellow posters...could you imagine the stick that would fly about if weareqpr12 posted this up and behaved in this way.

You don't question logic, you get all abusive when you're bested in debate. Why don't you try putting up a proper counter argument using some proper facts before spouting your nonsense?

[West Acton]

Could someone please explain why certain posters keep making an attempt to make Richard look silly by banging on about some so called report.

From where I stand, he seems to have done nothing other than refer to a few various written opinions and statistical facts that would appear to back up his own views. Surely the grown up way to respond would be to back up the alternative view with some similarly relevant opinions and stats.

I would love to see our club be a permanent, competetive side in the Prem, with a shiny new stadium that is the envy of the football community. How fantastic it could be when the new generations of fans, (our children and grandchildren) are in it with us, along with the thousands of youngsters who we gave the opportunity to support someone other than the London sides that have been traditionally successful, or in Chelsea's case, bought their success. Would love us to win titles and cups, or at the very least compete for them. Surely every true Rangers fan wants us to win every game and be successful in everything we do. I can understand people being concerned, worried even, as to what the different future may hold. Try viewing it the way that some of us do, who can remember very well the days when we were London's top club for five years on the trot. The days when Chelsea's crowds were rarely bigger than ours, when we had the better team, the better ground and the better future. Things change, in football as in life. We allowed Chelsea to get bigger by not stopping them ourselves. Maybe we didn't have the opportunity. Or maybe we simply were too scared to take advantage of one.

I read said report and thought it made alot of sense. Surely a statistical argument holds more water that an opinionated one??

[TBLOCKRANGER]

Could someone please explain why certain posters keep making an attempt to make Richard look silly by banging on about some so called report.

From where I stand, he seems to have done nothing other than refer to a few various written opinions and statistical facts that would appear to back up his own views. Surely the grown up way to respond would be to back up the alternative view with some similarly relevant opinions and stats.

I would love to see our club be a permanent, competetive side in the Prem, with a shiny new stadium that is the envy of the football community. How fantastic it could be when the new generations of fans, (our children and grandchildren) are in it with us, along with the thousands of youngsters who we gave the opportunity to support someone other than the London sides that have been traditionally successful, or in Chelsea's case, bought their success. Would love us to win titles and cups, or at the very least compete for them. Surely every true Rangers fan wants us to win every game and be successful in everything we do. I can understand people being concerned, worried even, as to what the different future may hold. Try viewing it the way that some of us do, who can remember very well the days when we were London's top club for five years on the trot. The days when Chelsea's crowds were rarely bigger than ours, when we had the better team, the better ground and the better future. Things change, in football as in life. We allowed Chelsea to get bigger by not stopping them ourselves. Maybe we didn't have the opportunity. Or maybe we simply were too scared to take advantage of one.

We had no influence on Chelsea becoming big.
Chelsea became big because in his first season the current owner splashed out £121m on players followed by £102m the next year.
We instead proceeded on our quest for premiership domination by purchasing the likes of Mbia, Diakite, Dyer and BZ.
Instead of buying land in NW London, our shareholders should have been buying quality players.

[QPR Richard]

I read said report and thought it made alot of sense. Surely a statistical argument holds more water that an opinionated one??

Surely if you'd read my post which was based on that report you'd have understood why I hold the opinions that I do.

I hope after reading that report you can see why many of us hold a similar opinion.

[West Acton]

Surely if you'd read my post which was based on that report you'd have understood why I hold the opinions that I do.

I hope after reading that report you can see why many of us hold a similar opinion.

Hold up I was agreeing with you buddy!!!!!

[QPR Richard]

Hold up I was agreeing with you buddy!!!!!

Haha sorry mate I thought it was Tblock answering. Humblest apologies

[QPRDave]

Hold up I was agreeing with you buddy!!!!!

Rich must have some American blood in him....friendly fire incident!!

[vespa]

this sentence would have an ordinary language philosopher jumping for joy........

"whim of a rich foreign business man"....more than one man at least 4 on the board.....being rich is a given or they wouldn't be the board and im glad they are...
foreign im guessing is designed to make them appear wrong and vilianous.......

"change beyond all recognition"......it will change as will the game...beyond all recognition is simply not true....things will change equally if they don't expand...that is a
law of nature and a fact of time

so two sides of a sentence....on your side logical concern, on the other side, damage to the club by a mindless uncaring foreigner just cos he's rich....
slightly unbalanced question.

you imply I said its wrong to be concerned when in fact I said your concern is wrong imo......just as the gang of four were wrong in their insular views
which led to china contracting and moving backwards....it was futile because you cannot hold back the march of time as the gang of four found out
all you can do is roll with the changes and make the best of the outcome

Would it have an ordinary language philosopher jumping for joy ? Is that you ? An ordinary language philosopher ? No ,i thought not .Dont try and be clever mate ,it dosn`t suit you.

You try and be all smart saying " whim of a rich foreign businessman " and then make a jumped up point that its actually at least four businessmen ,well read my original post ,you know the one you quoted ,it says businessmen .So well done ,you norsed up your first point.
The fact they`re foreign is brought up ,because they ,obviously don`t understand the size and history of QPR ,( its pretty obvious to anyone who is associated with a club of our size that a 40,000 is not in the interests of generating the sort of atmosphere we need ,ie either a half empty ground or a ground full of away fans or tourists .)

How can you say things wont change beyond all recognition ? How do you know that`s "simply not true " ? Seems to me taking us out of W12 ,putting us in a multi purpose 40,000 (or is it now smaller ,because it hadn`t been thought out properly in the first place ? ) stadium in New Queens Park ,will change the face of QPR pretty drastically .
As for your " law of nature ,fact of time comment " .Really ?Just what is that supposed to mean ? Sounds like just a lot of hot air ,from someone who`s trying to sound a bit more intelligent than he is.
As for my " unbalanced " question ,see my comment above.

I have no problem at all if my concern is wrong in your opinion , but that is all it is ,your opinion .