A long way to go!

[W12_Ranger]

Well done to those who went and cheered on the team. There's lots of fans who can't afford to go to games regularly, particularly with Christmas around the corner.

Still does sound a bit mad that we want a 40K stadium but can barely muster an away support for a top of the table clash be it in the championship

So its too cold , xmas is around the corner , if it was in August you'd be saying it was because fans were still away on their hols.

Excuses , excuses ….hows about we are just a small club?

[QPR Richard]

Still does sound a bit mad that we want a 40K stadium but can barely muster an away support for a top of the table clash be it in the championship

So its too cold , xmas is around the corner , if it was in August you'd be saying it was because fans were still away on their hols.

Excuses , excuses ….hows about we are just a small club?

Perhaps you should ask the x thousand season ticket holders what their excuses were for not going today. You're a season ticket holder, did you go? If not, why not?

[QPRDave]

That will grow W12.....Do people really think Tony and the board have not thought that there are games where we don't sell out?...yet are still wanting to go ahead with these plans

[W12_Ranger]

Perhaps you should ask the x thousand season ticket holders what their excuses were for not going today. You're a season ticket holder, did you go? If not, why not?

i couldn't care less what other fans excuses are in the same way they couldn't care less about mine or yours…i'm just making a point that for a club who is talking about a 40k stadium, an away support of 231 to whatever ground in the country its quite funny

[W12_Ranger]

That will grow W12.....Do people really think Tony and the board have not thought that there are games where we don't sell out?...yet are still wanting to go ahead with these plans

i don't think fernandes understands the clubs support as much as you give him credit for

[QPR Richard]

That will grow W12.....Do people really think Tony and the board have not thought that there are games where we don't sell out?...yet are still wanting to go ahead with these plans

This is the thing. TF and his two partners, plus Amit and Lakshmi Mittal, along with Phil Beard, have taken a joint decision to press ahead with these plans. It seems inconceivable to me that they've all got it wrong and don't know what they're doing.

There's at least half a dozen guys involved there, all successful businessmen. I'm sure they know what they're doing, and I would much rather trust their judgement than that of W12 and Vblock any day.

[TBLOCKRANGER]

That will grow W12.....Do people really think Tony and the board have not thought that there are games where we don't sell out?...yet are still wanting to go ahead with these plans

My concern is the "plans" were dreamt up in the early part of TFs reign. The same period when he later fully accepted blame for a number of errors. The worry is were the plans drawn up when he was getting to know the club and really didn't have a grip on matters.
Problem with these types of massive projects is they become self generating like a snowball and people whose responsibility is to advise the board tend not to want to put their head over the parapet and give bad news or put the brakes on.

Us fans know the club and I don't see any appetite in the community for fans wanting to flock to QPR.

[W12_Ranger]

This is the thing. TF and his two partners, plus Amit and Lakshmi Mittal, along with Phil Beard, have taken a joint decision to press ahead with these plans. It seems inconceivable to me that they've all got it wrong and don't know what they're doing.

There's at least half a dozen guys involved there, all successful businessmen. I'm sure they know what they're doing, and I would much rather trust their judgement than that of W12 and Vblock any day.

The thing is fans like me and V block actually understand our club a lot better than these very successful business men

Let's be fair the clubs failure in the Premier League the vast majority of us including yourself probably could see what was going wrong from the very start yet these so-called business experts could not.

You do make me laugh Dicky boy, you are like a spokesman for Tony Fernandes and it is hilarious watching you get yourself wound up when anybody decides to challenge he is judgement

[terry ball]

Stick the new ground up your r'sss. 231 fans went today whilst we are sitting pretty at the top of the league. A 40k stadium for a club our size is not needed and will kill the fantastic atmosphere that's generated at loftus rd

I was one of the 231, although apparently 2 stewards were counted by mistake so it was only 229

[W12_Ranger]

I was one of the 231, although apparently 2 stewards were counted by mistake so it was only 229

Haha

[QPRDave]

]My concern is the "plans" were dreamt up in the early part of TFs reign[/B]. The same period when he later fully accepted blame for a number of errors. The worry is were the plans drawn up when he was getting to know the club and really didn't have a grip on matters.
Problem with these types of massive projects is they become self generating like a snowball and people whose responsibility is to advise the board tend not to want to put their head over the parapet and give bad news or put the brakes on.

Us fans know the club and I don't see any appetite in the community for fans wanting to flock to QPR.

If that is the case, surely he could've just let it go quietly away and then claim we couldn't find a suitable site in the area?.... We would never know different. I'm not buying that something like this with the people involved (as Richard pointed out) they wouldn't think twice about pulling the plug if they felt it wasn't going to be affordable/or profitable.

[QPRDave]

I was one of the 231, although apparently 2 stewards were counted by mistake so it was only 229

984 .....must've been more than 2 stewards!!!

[TBLOCKRANGER]

If that is the case, surely he could've just let it go quietly away and then claim we couldn't find a suitable site in the area?.... We would never know different. I'm not buying that something like this with the people involved (as Richard pointed out) they wouldn't think twice about pulling the plug if they felt it wasn't going to be affordable/or profitable.

Problem though is when businessmen get involved in football. Remember a couple of years ago I was flying back from Sardinia with the family and the wife was reading one of those in flight magazines. They had an article from Briatore who has a nightclub on the island. He said football does bizarre things to wealthy blokes, said if your an owner and a millionaire it can make you skint and turn billionaires into millionaires. He said F1 can make you rich but owning a football club makes no sense.
I think if you become an owner of a football club you become almost Tsar like.
Thread on here a little while back about why German clubs are better run, that's because they have some type of rule that the fans own the majority of the club.
I wouldn't be surprised if ant feasibility test was run, I haven't heard from anyone that they've been contacted about the feasibility of filling a 40k stadium, it seems to have just been proposed. To my understanding no consultation or surveys were sent to ST holders, no fan meetings, polls, letter drops in the area.

[Stanley]

Still does sound a bit mad that we want a 40K stadium but can barely muster an away support for a top of the table clash be it in the championship

So its too cold , xmas is around the corner , if it was in August you'd be saying it was because fans were still away on their hols.

Excuses , excuses ….hows about we are just a small club?

What makes you so convinced of the notion that it's impossible for a football club to increase and grow its fanbase? It's happened to clubs in the past and it'll happen in the future.

Isn't the root of your concerns really more about your fear of change (which I agree is understandable)?

[QPR Richard]

The thing is fans like me and V block actually understand our club a lot better than these very successful business men

Let's be fair the clubs failure in the Premier League the vast majority of us including yourself probably could see what was going wrong from the very start yet these so-called business experts could not.

You do make me laugh Dicky boy, you are like a spokesman for Tony Fernandes and it is hilarious watching you get yourself wound up when anybody decides to challenge he is judgement

That's where you're wrong Vic, I don't get would up about it, I find it amusing seeing people who think they know more about running big business than our board members. I fully accept us fans understand our club better, but we don't know the mechanics of running successful and profitable organisations.

Besides, I'm sure TF had learned his lessons along the way which will make him a much better chairman.