A long way to go!

[twranger]

In this day and age of financial fair play we need to generate other sources of income. Our ground will be used for all sorts of things..

Good post HammersmithR, especially this above ^^^.......the dinosaurs amongst us here, who cannot understand this simple fact, need to get real and look at the bigger picture and move on.

[vespa]

I debate with facts, you debate by abusing people. Wasn't that why you got banned from here?

Never mind, I'll say hello next time you're goose stepping down SAR

To be fair Richard ,you don`t debate with facts at all ,
you don`t actually debate ,because you seldom answer other peoples points
you`re right you dont actually abuse people ,but you do make sweeping ill informed comments ,
Like when you said that i don`t understand the history of our club ,
Who are you to say I don`t understand the history of QPR ?
The fact is we disagree about what is right for the future of our club
TRUST ME i know at least as much as you about our history ,so show me that respect.

We disagree...............BUT by your posts i am sure you love QPR in the same way i do, this is a forum for fans of Rangers to discuss their different views

[W12_Ranger]

I debate with facts, you debate by abusing people. Wasn't that why you got banned from here?

Never mind, I'll say hello next time you're goose stepping down SAR

But you don't debate with facts you debate with your opinion like the rest of us. If you had all the facts then you might as well be an employee of the club, you're not an employee of the club are you dicky boy? I know your TF's biggest fan but I'd like to think this message board has moved on from the spin and propaganda of the Paladini days.

You're so blinkered by your own opinion (we will call it that for now) that you are not interested in what makes other fans happy. Your whole argument for the future of the club is built on a foundation of ifs and buts not facts.

[QPR Richard]

I will answer both of your posts together.

I try to use facts where possible. As an honours degree history graduate, I use source-based material to put forward an argument, like the post I put up about comparing the populations of Brighton Huddersfield and Southampton.

Anyway, I accept that people have different opinions to me, we all have different views on different things, but IMO, if we don't make changes we are going to run into trouble, like we have before. You cannot ignore the fact we went into administration. You cannot ignore the fact we took out a high-interest loan using LR as collateral. You cannot ignore the fact we had bucket collections outside the ground. You cannot ignore the fact we had a share flotation that went wrong.

Do we want all that again? Of course not. So what are the choices? Let history repeat itself or do something different?

Under the current board we have an excellent opportunity to progress. We either take it or stand still.

Which is it to be?

[Stanley]

I am not saying we will fill 40 thousand every week, but build a successful product and big players will come and people will want to see these big players. I can remember Chelsea getting well under 10 thousand for home games. They get taken over with a lot of investment in better players and they start to win things. This Old Oak project looks brilliant and exciting. We are effectively part of a new town. There is a huge housing crisis in London. Much of this housing will no doubt be sold to people with expendable income and I am sure deals will be done where they might even get a free season ticket for every property purchased! Our backers are successful people. Thus project will take a long time to come to fruition, but we need to remember we need to build a club that will be here for the future long after we're dead. That can't be done at Loftus Rd. HS2 will happen. Our new ground will be right next to the largest train station in the UK. Great links to all over the country and the airports. You can't ask for more than that. In this day and age of financial fair play we need to generate other sources of income. Our ground will be used for all sorts of things. The 02 has been a success, but is a ball ache to get to. Our new stadium will be in the heart of London literally mins from the centre of London. And it's only 10 mins from Loftus Rd. I am excited about the future.

^^^^^^the definitive post on the matter imo

Good post HammersmithR, especially this above ^^^.......the dinosaurs amongst us here, who cannot understand this simple fact, need to get real and look at the bigger picture and move on.

HammersmithR, the voice of reason. A shame the better posters on here post less frequently.

[QPR71]

you could have the debating skills of pitt the younger....if some one don't agree with you already on this one...they never will

I agree with richard

[Ricky]

I'd quite happily pootle along the way we are if I'm honest. Couple of seasons in the Prem taking points off chelsea and making up the numbers, then a season in the Championship winning more games than we lose. Selling out our 18,000 seater stadium in Loftus Road. I'd be content with that. Can't help feeling we'll lose our club when we move.

This just shows no ambition. Why wouldnt you want the club you support to be the best it can?

[vespa]

This just shows no ambition. Why wouldnt you want the club you support to be the best it can?

i think people are scared ,the QPR we all know and love will change beyond all recognition ,i know i am

[gaza09]

i think people are scared ,the QPR we all know and love will change beyond all recognition ,i know i am

Change to who?, it won't change to me no matter what happens, it will always be my team. I agree it my change other teams fans perception of us, but I couldn't give a fark what anyone else thinks of us.
And this whole argument of it won't be filled with proper rangers is ridiculous, I will be sat with my mates who I've been going football with over the last 20 odd years, who ever else makes up the crowd doesn't matter one bit to me. (Unless it's an away fan giving it the bigun)

[QPRDave]

[QUOTE=Stanley76;1183403 A shame the better posters on here post less frequently.[/QUOTE]

Oh cheers Stanley.........thanks for that....your posts are sh*t too

[W12_Ranger]

I will answer both of your posts together.

I try to use facts where possible. As an honours degree history graduate, I use source-based material to put forward an argument, like the post I put up about comparing the populations of Brighton Huddersfield and Southampton.

Anyway, I accept that people have different opinions to me, we all have different views on different things, but IMO, if we don't make changes we are going to run into trouble, like we have before. You cannot ignore the fact we went into administration. You cannot ignore the fact we took out a high-interest loan using LR as collateral. You cannot ignore the fact we had bucket collections outside the ground. You cannot ignore the fact we had a share flotation that went wrong.

Do we want all that again? Of course not. So what are the choices? Let history repeat itself or do something different?

Under the current board we have an excellent opportunity to progress. We either take it or stand still.

Which is it to be?

You cannot compare any of these clubs to QPR its makes your whole argument completely flawed