A long way to go!

[W12_Ranger]

We all want the best for our club, some off us set our ambitions for the club at a more realistic level than others….some off you are very excited at the proposed stadium plans which is understandable.

The owners have come out with sone very ambitious plans and fair play but there is a long way to go!

I personally think the driver for this project is Mittal, though a large section of our support like to heap praise on 'Uncle Tony' as he is the front man for this project (for how long who knows).

For me I'll contain my excitement until the hoardings go up around the site but those who are getting carried away have some patience and keep your feet on the ground. Construction programmes can change, development plans can meet opposition and funding can disappear.

The future looks bright but enjoy what we already have as it may be with us for a while yet!

[QPRDave]

There is a long way to go. I think we should quite rightly be excited. If Mr Mittal is behind this then good, but if this is the case he's obviously happy to let Tony lead the club, so why don't you cut him some slack too?

[vanhoop]

Opposition has started with the local foreigners.how dare construction take away the lovely view of the drunken junkies.the 100,000 Romanians and Bulgarians coming in Jan know tony on first hand terms.as for funds,think the board have been shrewed by getting Boris involved

[QPR Richard]

@W12

As someone who's involved in the construction industry, I'm surprised you're in the anti-move group. You more than most should understand the accrued benefits for the club and the positive effects this scheme will have on the area.

This isn't just about the new stadium, but the regeneration of a neglected area of London, IMO, the greatest city on earth. This regeneration will create lots of new housing, superb transport links, leisure facilities, and a thriving economy. Our club is going to be at the centre of this and I for one am pleased we're part of it.

Yes, there's a long way to go, but this isn't a short-term plan. This is about the long-term future for our club. As PB rightly said, we have to generate money from other activities so we can compete with the biggest clubs in the country, and surely all of us want to see our club compete with all-comers.

Over the next few years, we'll know much more about the potential for the site and what the prospects are for QPR. We cannot compete with the revenues that clubs like Man Utd make on things like commercial deals and merchandise sales, but we can generate income from other activities.

I just wish you and a few others would place some trust in our owners who know how to make a few bob. If we hadn't got in there first, you can bet your last penny that the Russian bloke would have.

OOC is one of the last remaining areas of London, particularly in our neck of the woods, that has massive scope for development.

You know the construction industry and would know the benefits this scheme will have. This can only be good for the future of QPR.

[W12_Ranger]

@W12

As someone who's involved in the construction industry, I'm surprised you're in the anti-move group. You more than most should understand the accrued benefits for the club and the positive effects this scheme will have on the area.

This isn't just about the new stadium, but the regeneration of a neglected area of London, IMO, the greatest city on earth. This regeneration will create lots of new housing, superb transport links, leisure facilities, and a thriving economy. Our club is going to be at the centre of this and I for one am pleased we're part of it.

Yes, there's a long way to go, but this isn't a short-term plan. This is about the long-term future for our club. As PB rightly said, we have to generate money from other activities so we can compete with the biggest clubs in the country, and surely all of us want to see our club compete with all-comers.

Over the next few years, we'll know much more about the potential for the site and what the prospects are for QPR. We cannot compete with the revenues that clubs like Man Utd make on things like commercial deals and merchandise sales, but we can generate income from other activities.

I just wish you and a few others would place some trust in our owners who know how to make a few bob. If we hadn't got in there first, you can bet your last penny that the Russian bloke would have.

OOC is one of the last remaining areas of London, particularly in our neck of the woods, that has massive scope for development.

You know the construction industry and would know the benefits this scheme will have. This can only be good for the future of QPR.

I think fans off our club place their trust to easily in the owners

Don't forget these are the guys who thought by signing 3 European cup winners it would put us on the football map

We have to be a Premier league team by the time we move into the stadium , what if we are not? We would struggle to to get anywhere near capacity in the Premier league what happens if we are still a Championship team? I'm also not entirely convinced about the regeneration as much as other people. I believe the economic recovery of this country is far more fragile than what people think. This would be £10 billion well spent but there are a lot of variables which it relies on with regards to transport links. HS2 i for one hope it gets to go ahead because it will keep me in work well into my 40s but it's not without its opposition. I just think some of the timescales quoted seem a little short as well.

We've already seen from our time in the Premier league what the unrealistic expectations of some fans can be. We are a small club there is no two ways about it, To fill a 40,000 seat capacity stadium on a week in week out basis would make us a big club... I just can't see it!

[QPR1976]

I think fans off our club place their trust to easily in the owners

Don't forget these are the guys who thought by signing 3 European cup winners it would put us on the football map

We have to be a Premier league team by the time we move into the stadium , what if we are not? We would struggle to to get anywhere near capacity in the Premier league what happens if we are still a Championship team? I'm also not entirely convinced about the regeneration as much as other people. I believe the economic recovery of this country is far more fragile than what people think. This would be £10 billion well spent but there are a lot of variables which it relies on with regards to transport links. HS2 i for one hope it gets to go ahead because it will keep me in work well into my 40s but it's not without its opposition. I just think some of the timescales quoted seem a little short as well.

We've already seen from our time in the Premier league what the unrealistic expectations of some fans can be. We are a small club there is no two ways about it, To fill a 40,000 seat capacity stadium on a week in week out basis would make us a big club... I just can't see it!

I guess that suggests being VERY successful in business doesn't necessarily guarantee being immediately successful in Sport, or more specifically - football.
That was the case with Chris Wright too. And many others before him and since.

At least, Tony has admitted mistakes were made and the Mittals are still with us, albeit in the background. Like him or not, Phil Beard played a big part in turning round the Millenium Dome/O2 Arena, so he has good previous.
We appear to have the right backers & supporters involved regards construction, transport, architects & planning, including the Mayor of London. So it doesn't appear half @rsed to me.


Cardiff, Swansea & Southampton all had new stadiums whilst in lower divisions. They seem to be doing ok.

I too worry that 40k may be too big for us.
I don't want us to end up like Coventry at an atmosphere less Ricoh, nor do I want more Away fans than Home fans. But building 24,000 new houses will bring some extra support, as will success on the pitch. In our 70's heyday we got 35k v Leeds.

It doesn't hurt to dream does it ?

And wasn't it 4 Champions League finalists/winners ?
Cesar, Cisse, Park & Bosingwa ?

[W12_Ranger]

I guess that suggests being VERY successful in business doesn't necessarily guarantee being immediately successful in Sport, or more specifically - football.
That was the case with Chris Wright too. And many others before him and since.

At least, Tony has admitted mistakes were made and the Mittals are still with us, albeit in the background. Like him or not, Phil Beard played a big part in turning round the Millenium Dome/O2 Arena, so he has good previous.
We appear to have the right backers & supporters involved regards construction, transport, architects & planning, including the Mayor of London. So it doesn't appear half @rsed to me.


Cardiff, Swansea & Southampton all had new stadiums whilst in lower divisions. They seem to be doing ok.

I too worry that 40k may be too big for us.
I don't want us to end up like Coventry at an atmosphere less Ricoh, nor do I want more Away fans than Home fans. But building 24,000 new houses will bring some extra support, as will success on the pitch. In our 70's heyday we got 35k v Leeds.

It doesn't hurt to dream does it ?

And wasn't it 4 Champions League finalists/winners ?
Cesar, Cisse, Park & Bosingwa ?

3 with winners medals I thought either way they were all shite in my view

Cardiff, Swansea and Southampton are all one team towns / city's

If QPR fill a 40k stadium it will be one of the biggest success stories in football the world over

[QPR Richard]

Whatever the arguments are with regard to capacity, I doubt there can be much argument about the poor facilities at LR. It has 13% restricted views, the seats are cramped, the food outlets are inadequate, and the khazis are shocking!

The new stadium is going to be 1.5 miles away from LR which is a good thing. Many will still be able to do their pre-match stuff, just a little earlier.

I think the real issue for many is purely capacity. This can be solved with clever use of drapings and seating plan. A few years ago we played away at MK Dons. At the time the stadium had no seats upstairs but it didn't hinder a reasonable atmosphere. And by building a bigger stadium from the outset, it not only future-proofs the club with a rise in attendance, but can be used for other events which will bring in extra money.

If we decline this opportunity, there is no doubt the Russki in SW6 will grab it with both hands. They've already sewn up large areas of SW, W, NW London, Middx and Surrey. Do we take a chance and build a new stadium and cement our rightful place, or do we stay forever at LR in a poor stadium while future generations of football fans go to other grounds?

[shanns]

Should be a 30k stadium and when that's full all season then expand. Just being realistic.

[Ed the Ball]

I would say the 40.000 will be for big events such as concerts. That will bring in a lot of extra revenue.
I would say that the football is just a small part of this project.

[vblockranger]

I would say the 40.000 will be for big events such as concerts. That will bring in a lot of extra revenue.
I would say that the football is just a small part of this project.

Agree..our club is not foremost in their mind and never has been.

[Westway]

I'd quite happily pootle along the way we are if I'm honest. Couple of seasons in the Prem taking points off chelsea and making up the numbers, then a season in the Championship winning more games than we lose. Selling out our 18,000 seater stadium in Loftus Road. I'd be content with that. Can't help feeling we'll lose our club when we move.

[shanns]

Love and hate LR in equal measures, time to move on.

[W12_Ranger]

I'd quite happily pootle along the way we are if I'm honest. Couple of seasons in the Prem taking points off chelsea and making up the numbers, then a season in the Championship winning more games than we lose. Selling out our 18,000 seater stadium in Loftus Road. I'd be content with that. Can't help feeling we'll lose our club when we move.

We will lose the soul of the club if we add another 25k to our support, some will argue change is good its what they want but the very thing that makes our club special would disappear …however we may hang onto our identity in a football ground less than half full

[stainrodisalegend]

Essentially it comes down to whether you believe in positivity and progress or in negativity and stagnation. It applies to developing a football club, it applies to developing a country. Some people on here think Britain is going to hell in a hand cart because it has been a mecca for immigration and expansion. But plenty of others, such as Time magazine, reckons the British economy will overtake Germany's by 2050 because we are the most attractive place in Europe for talented, skilled workers. With the stadium clearly its a risk but so, by the way, is standing still - I doubt the owners would remain interested and then we would have a whole new set of challenges such as surviving on no money which threatened the club's very existence only a few years ago. Personally I would rather fail by being too ambitious than fail by being too scared. Re the 40,000 I doubt very much that figure was worked out on the back of a fag packet. My guess is that was considered the optimum amount for concerts etc in the area set against rival entertainment venues such as the O2. The board are providing the infrastructure. It will then be up to the football people to see if they can rise to the challenge.