QPR face record-breaking punishment

[Park Street Ranger]

If it's depressing now, how did you cope under Flavio and Bernie?

[Sminky]

If it's depressing now, how did you cope under Flavio and Bernie?

You mean how did I cope with promotion? I coped just fine. As did you and the rest of the Rangers fans. I'm not a Briatore sympathiser or apologist but I don't recall him bankrupting our club.

[rodman]

It never ceases to amaze me the level of blind faith many of our own fans place in Tony Fernandes, particularly on this forum. I, along with a smattering of QPR fans are somewhat disenfranchised with Fernandes and his behaviour. If QPR are hit with a fine, penalised etc, I expect the usual excuses to be wheeled out "But what about Chelsea/Man City?", "It was Mark Hughes fault". Its all utterly idiotic.

I'm expecting the usual rhetoric of "Well Fernandes can't be clueless because he is a successful business man". So what? And so what if he is a nice bloke - which incidentally I think he is - we are paying for Fernandes naivety. Park Ji-Sung represents everything that has been wrong with the Fernandes reign. Some of our signings and wages paid is tantamount to misappropriation of club fund, quite simply if there is any fine to be paid it should be directly from Fernandes pocket. If a huge fine was levied against the club and Fernandes decided to abandon ship, I wonder whether the adulation he is afforded would still be quite so forthcoming.

I think all in all this is a pretty depressing time to a QPR fan. The novelty of a wealthy owner chasing the dream and buying in big names has worn a little thin now. We're a small club and we've embarrassed ourselves and hardly ingratiated ourselves to other clubs in the Championship who are frankly cheesed off with us.

So please. No more Fernandes love. Some of us are bored of it.

You kind of hit the nail on the head yourself.

As you say - " a smattering" and then "some of us"

Whereas I wouldn't mind betting the large majority of us both respect and are grateful for all Tony Fernandes has done and is continuing to do for the club.

[Will M]

It never ceases to amaze me the level of blind faith many of our own fans place in Tony Fernandes, particularly on this forum. I, along with a smattering of QPR fans are somewhat disenfranchised with Fernandes and his behaviour. If QPR are hit with a fine, penalised etc, I expect the usual excuses to be wheeled out "But what about Chelsea/Man City?", "It was Mark Hughes fault". Its all utterly idiotic.

I'm expecting the usual rhetoric of "Well Fernandes can't be clueless because he is a successful business man". So what? And so what if he is a nice bloke - which incidentally I think he is - we are paying for Fernandes naivety. Park Ji-Sung represents everything that has been wrong with the Fernandes reign. Some of our signings and wages paid is tantamount to misappropriation of club fund, quite simply if there is any fine to be paid it should be directly from Fernandes pocket. If a huge fine was levied against the club and Fernandes decided to abandon ship, I wonder whether the adulation he is afforded would still be quite so forthcoming.

I think all in all this is a pretty depressing time to a QPR fan. The novelty of a wealthy owner chasing the dream and buying in big names has worn a little thin now. We're a small club and we've embarrassed ourselves and hardly ingratiated ourselves to other clubs in the Championship who are frankly cheesed off with us.

So please. No more Fernandes love. Some of us are bored of it.

But Tony has held up his hands and admitted his mistakes, and is currently trying to make amends. Are we not allowed as a support to give him a chance to do right? If we make it up to the Premier this season, a rather strong possibility, we will have no fines against us. He's not someone who likes to fail, and let's not beat around the bush, he has so far failed spectacularly. Only time will tell if he will make good on his promises, maybe he won't. One thing I'm certain of though, and that's it won't be for a lack of trying.

Curious, you are depressed supporting us? I think this season has been a breath of fresh air. And to be honest, fans are starting to respect us as a club again. We went down, but we are well up for carrying on the fight. I'm really proud to call myself a QPR fan, and I'm sure we will all be partying come the end of the season. Nothing wrong with being hopeful for the future, sure as hell beats dwelling on the past and holding grudges.

[Park Street Ranger]

You mean how did I cope with promotion? I coped just fine. As did you and the rest of the Rangers fans. I'm not a Briatore sympathiser or apologist but I don't recall him bankrupting our club.

Who said he did? I don't recall Fernandes bankrupting us either.

[Sminky]

You kind of hit the nail on the head yourself.

As you say - " a smattering" and then "some of us"

Whereas I wouldn't mind betting the large majority of us both respect and are grateful for all Tony Fernandes has done and is continuing to do for the club.

Of course, its all completely subjective.

However, take everything into context and look it at objectively, what Fernandes has done and continues to do is load an almost insurmountable level of debt against the club.

Promotion is an absolute necessity to plug the deficit.

[Kevin Mcleod]

Tony has come out and rubbished the story saying its total bull sh ite

[LewisQPR]

Troll

Mate, you actually haven't got a life, may you just grow up please?, your acting like little baby tbh

[Will M]

Mate, you actually haven't got a life, may you just grow up please?, your acting like little baby tbh

But he's crushing on you, how can you be so callous as to spurn his advances?

[Sminky]

But Tony has held up his hands and admitted his mistakes, and is currently trying to make amends. Are we not allowed as a support to give him a chance to do right? If we make it up to the Premier this season, a rather strong possibility, we will have no fines against us. He's not someone who likes to fail, and let's not beat around the bush, he has so far failed spectacularly. Only time will tell if he will make good on his promises, maybe he won't. One thing I'm certain of though, and that's it won't be for a lack of trying.

Curious, you are depressed supporting us? I think this season has been a breath of fresh air. And to be honest, fans are starting to respect us as a club again. We went down, but we are well up for carrying on the fight. I'm really proud to call myself a QPR fan, and I'm sure we will all be partying come the end of the season. Nothing wrong with being hopeful for the future, sure as hell beats dwelling on the past and holding grudges.

I'm struggling to agree, not because I'm being a contrarian or being negative for the sake of it, I've supported QPR through thick and thin for the last 22 years. I was very happy with the start to the season, however I was concerned when McClaren left, concerns that have unfortunately come to fruition. McClaren is a vastly superior coach than Redknapp. I thought the pair of them however were perfect, Harry is a decent man manager and McClaren a decent tactician. Given our squad we are doing the bare minimum. You can't expect to walk the Championship, its so competitive but the Burnley game was depressing, Assou-Ekotto was pathetic.

You'll find on other forums, general football forums, we as a club are regularly branded "A Joke of a club", "Run by idiots" and "Getting what they deserve". I love QPR, I don't love Fernandes. I won't be mourning his departure from the club whenever that occurs.

Who said he did? I don't recall Fernandes bankrupting us either.

An embellishment on my part. The point still stands up however.

[West Acton]

I think people are giving way to much credit to McClarens influence. Yes it was nice to have him but he is not and has never been God. He has been run out of every club he has managed from memory

When McClaren was here there was thread after thread about how poor and lucky we were I think two of our best performances have come since he has come at Wigan away and ironically against Derby

[QPRDave]

I'm struggling to agree, not because I'm being a contrarian or being negative for the sake of it, I've supported QPR through thick and thin for the last 22 years. I was very happy with the start to the season, however I was concerned when McClaren left, concerns that have unfortunately come to fruition. McClaren is a vastly superior coach than Redknapp. I thought the pair of them however were perfect, Harry is a decent man manager and McClaren a decent tactician. Given our squad we are doing the bare minimum. You can't expect to walk the Championship, its so competitive but the Burnley game was depressing, Assou-Ekotto was pathetic.

You'll find on other forums, general football forums, we as a club are regularly branded "A Joke of a club", "Run by idiots" and "Getting what they deserve". I love QPR, I don't love Fernandes. I won't be mourning his departure from the club whenever that occurs.



An embellishment on my part. The point still stands up however.

Depressing??? Think you better stick your head in your gas oven......while you can still afford it

[QPRDave]

I think people are giving way to much credit to McClarens influence. Yes it was nice to have him but he is not and has never been God. He has been run out of every club he has managed from memory

When McClaren was here there was thread after thread about how poor and lucky we were I think two of our best performances have come since he has come at Wigan away and ironically against Derby

Far too much West......he was a coach but at the end of the day he was implementing what Harry wanted. McBrolly was well liked because he makes the same ol drills interesting and entertaining

[Will M]

I'm struggling to agree, not because I'm being a contrarian or being negative for the sake of it, I've supported QPR through thick and thin for the last 22 years. I was very happy with the start to the season, however I was concerned when McClaren left, concerns that have unfortunately come to fruition. McClaren is a vastly superior coach than Redknapp. I thought the pair of them however were perfect, Harry is a decent man manager and McClaren a decent tactician. Given our squad we are doing the bare minimum. You can't expect to walk the Championship, its so competitive but the Burnley game was depressing, Assou-Ekotto was pathetic.

You'll find on other forums, general football forums, we as a club are regularly branded "A Joke of a club", "Run by idiots" and "Getting what they deserve". I love QPR, I don't love Fernandes. I won't be mourning his departure from the club whenever that occurs.

Think it's a little early to be fretting about McLaren leaving myself. The team is shaping up quite nicely, before too long i'm sure we will be playing some attractive football with Hoillet and Philips on the wings, hopefully giving Charlie some better service. We look very solid in midfield and defence, capable of keeping clean sheets and retaining the ball. Admittedly we'd all like to be smashing teams 5-0. I'd settle for 3-0 even!

I don't venture on other fans sites much, but from what I've seen attitudes are changing. Especially people you talk to in the street. we didn't implode, and in fact look rather resilient in fact. They may not like us, but they are actually starting to respect us. Football is fickle, if we go up the media and other fans will be quick to start lauding how well we have done.

[Sminky]

I think people are giving way to much credit to McClarens influence. Yes it was nice to have him but he is not and has never been God. He has been run out of every club he has managed from memory

When McClaren was here there was thread after thread about how poor and lucky we were I think two of our best performances have come since he has come at Wigan away and ironically against Derby

McClaren isn't manager material, hence his failures, although he did win the league with FC Twente in Holland so he's not completely useless. I've never thought of him as god, I thought of him as an effective management team with Redknapp because we all know that when it comes to tactics, Harry hasn't really got a clue, he doesn't like spending too much time on the training ground. He's a "Go run around a bit lad" arm around the shoulder type, which is fair enough but you need a bit more than that in big games.

Depressing??? Think you better stick your head in your gas oven......while you can still afford it

Football fans are fickle. If we win promotion I'll be please but mostly relieved. I still don't think the current state of the club behind the scenes is anything to get excited about. Its not just what happens on the pitch after all.