The reason why Harry doesn't play 2 strikers

[winalotto]

Why do fans get so fixated with formations?
A formation will change as the game evolves, 1 up front isn't a rigid formation sometimes you have 2/3 players in attacking positions, just like 5 in the middle isn't always a holding formation, its the players and the information there given that determines the game, and confidence as well , i see us have plenty of opportunity's in games and the final ball or cross isn't always the best , thats nothing to do with formations. Leicester at home springs to mind , final third quality wise was where we were lacking imo..

[West London is Rss]

That's exactly what were saying... final 3rd lacking that's obvious..

I put a stat earlier up of most chances/shots at goal and Austin is top of the list in the Champ.. Make of that what you will..

Creativity there for Charlie but bad finishing letting us down?

[winalotto]

That's exactly what were saying... final 3rd lacking that's obvious..

I put a stat earlier up of most chances/shots at goal and Austin is top of the list in the Champ.. Make of that what you will..

Creativity there for Charlie but bad finishing letting us down?

Yeah but thats nothing to do with playing 1 up front, thats the lack of quality ball to him or the ball being crossed being over hit, players are there the service needs to be better.

[West London is Rss]

Does that stat surely not show his getting the service but finishing has been poor for his standard?
Sounds like the quality to him has been ok.. more the ball being hit wide or over that's the problem..

Players aren't there, its only ever Charlie boy in the box because our midfield aren't quick enough to get up with play

[Olly]

If Austin had had more crosses and more decent ones, then we would have had even more goals.

[West London is Rss]

Agreed.. But What does that stat tell us then?

[winalotto]

Agreed.. But What does that stat tell us then?

That the players have to be better, especially in the final third, or that final ball, and thats what some have been saying, Barton, Simpson, Onuaha , have all come out and said they must do better, thats what they are eluding to, that the players we have should be playing better. We definitely have the quality irrelevant of formations to be scoring more.

[Buffalo]

Yeah but thats nothing to do with playing 1 up front, thats the lack of quality ball to him or the ball being crossed being over hit, players are there the service needs to be better.

Absolutely. And the poor finishing and goalkeepers having a blinder against us (remember earlier in the season ,not lately though).

According to the stats (I know stats aren't everything), we have had more total shots so far this season than Derby and Burnley, but less than Leicester. However, only about 27% of them have been on target. Derby and Burnley have about 34% on target and Leicester have had 29 more shots on target than us.

Also, the bottom club, Barnsley, have have had one more shot on target than us and are slightly more accurate at 28%.

Make of that what you will but it tends to suggest that we haven't really been struggling significantly for shooting opportunities, but the finishing, and/or the quality of those opportunities has been poor.

There again, stats are mostly b0ll0cks tbf.

[winalotto]

I have never been a massive one on stats , they can say what you want them to. I like to watch the game and use my eyes, and i think our big players and we have more than enough of them need to step up, no more messages of its got to be better, lets see it put into action on the pitch. We are not far off in my view , but that final ball needs to improve, and i believe we need to move the ball a bit quicker through midfield sometimes.

[Buffalo]

I have never been a massive one on stats , they can say what you want them to. I like to watch the game and use my eyes, and i think our big players and we have more than enough of them need to step up, no more messages of its got to be better, lets see it put into action on the pitch. We are not far off in my view , but that final ball needs to improve, and i believe we need to move the ball a bit quicker through midfield sometimes.

No fan of stats myself but I put those out there because they seem to back up what I have seen myself this season. As you say, almost there but lacking in quality in the final third.

Having said that, I have also thought that the players application and effort has been found wanting recently too. Hopefully that is just a blip.

[West London is Rss]

That the players have to be better, especially in the final third, or that final ball, and thats what some have been saying, Barton, Simpson, Onuaha , have all come out and said they must do better, thats what they are eluding to, that the players we have should be playing better. We definitely have the quality irrelevant of formations to be scoring more.

This particular stat isn't a team stat.. Its an Austin stat.. He has had the most attempts at goal in the Champ and the most shots off target..

Yes were playing poor, we've said that.. Yes we have quality but haven't seen it all yet, we've said that..

The club stat Buffalo is talking about probably relates to the Austin stat considering his probably had 80% of our shots

[Buffalo]

This particular stat isn't a team stat.. Its an Austin stat.. He has had the most attempts at goal in the Champ and the most shots off target..

Yes were playing poor, we've said that.. Yes we have quality but haven't seen it all yet, we've said that..

The club stat Buffalo is talking about probably relates to the Austin stat considering his probably had 80% of our shots

He's had 23% of our shots. That's comparable to Ings at Burnley. The difference is that Ings has Vokes on similar numbers and Scott Arfield backing him up well with similar stats. Similar picture at the other clubs with a second striker/number 10 and midfielders all helping out.

We have Hoillett, Barton, Phillips, Kranjcar and O'Neil who have had 161 shots (49%) between them with a shocking 37 of those on target.

[West London is Rss]

The 80% of our shots was sarcasm by the way..

If kranjcar lost half a stone more he would be our Adel as people have said.. No doubt we need back-up for Austin, be it a well known talented striker or an attacking goalscoring midfielder!

[vblockranger]

He's had 23% of our shots. That's comparable to Ings at Burnley. The difference is that Ings has Vokes on similar numbers and Scott Arfield backing him up well with similar stats. Similar picture at the other clubs with a second striker/number 10 and midfielders all helping out.

We have Hoillett, Barton, Phillips, Kranjcar and O'Neil who have had 161 shots (49%) between them with a shocking 37 of those on target.

161 shots with only 37 on target is shocking, train the ****ers harder.

[Bluehoop]

161 shots with only 37 on target is shocking, train the ****ers harder.

I get your sentiment V - but really, should highly paid professional footballers need to be trained in the art of shooting on target. It's one of the lesser arts of the game isn't it - no technical issue like working on your offside trap, or training ground routines for dead ball situations or even magical practice of Cruyff turns, 360's et al - simply put your laces through the ball aiming it at an area that's 8 feet high and 8 yards wide