Why are some fans so obsessed with building a nice new big shiny stadium?

[QPR Richard]

How much extra revenue do you think 7k a week would bring in? If we charge £1000 for 7000 extra ST's thats £7 million not that it would be close that figure more like £4 million a year tops. Thats not even enough to keep Diakite and Mbia on the books now!!!

We could make far more through the sale of players which we buy on the cheap.

It's not just about the extra ticket sales, it's also about extra revenue through merchandise, food, drink, programmes etc. The more people in the ground means an increase in advertising rates.

[Buffalo]

Success comes on the pitch not off it

I agree but having a decent ground and facilities is all a part of attracting the best players to the club. Personally, I don't think half of our recent signings would have come to the club if we didn't have Harry. And we couldn't have signed them either without TF and the board, who in turn probably wouldn't be here if they thought that they couldn't build a new stadium and fulfill their long-term plans.

At the end of the day, there are a lot of good arguments for and against the building of a new stadium. A lot of those arguments are in turn dependent on some fundamental decisions like the size and location of the ground, how it is financed, who will own it etc.. Until some of those decisions have been made or at least officially been made a little clearer, I'm not sure I want to speculate on it too much. I certainly think it is too early to be obsessive about it, whichever side of the fence you sit on.

Roll on 3 o'clock....

[W12_Ranger]

It seems W12 has an obsession opposing a move, yet he isn't doing a thing to set up any sort of fans group to present his and others' opposition to a move. Time to walk the walk perhaps?

I want to see QPR play at the highest level possible and that means the prem. It also means possibly playing in Europe too. I want to see future generations of fans going to QPR rather than see us die out as a club through lack of interest. As I've said elsewhere, this project isn't about the here and now, it's about the next 50 years and beyond when most of us here will be long gone.

If we don't do it now, be sure someone else like Chelsea will.

I want to go to games where there are no restricted views, and undercover (anyone who's sat in the Paddocks on a wet day will know what I mean). I read somewhere once that 2,000 seats have restricted views at LR. I want us fans to have better facilities than we have at present.

Some just don't understand that we're in the 21st century, not the 1970s and we need better facilities. I would guess some people still play vinyl rather than CDs, watch VHS rather than blu ray, have a black and white TV instead of HD, and have no idea what a smartphone is. Probably still using a brick phone. Frankly, I'm amazed some people can even use a computer to write stuff.

It's called progress, and if you don't progress you get left behind.

"Setting up fans group"....

You value facilities above the clubs identity and maintaining the very fabric of its support. What is the point of Europe seriously, the Champions League which we will never qualify for has destroyed the other European competitions.

You turn up for 90 minutes 20 odd times a year, QPR will still be around in 50 odd years this isn't about future generations for you...you like other supporters are more concerned about a bit of extra leg room, shorter queues for the bogs and the Premier experience. We are a small club and always will be our support is passed through the generations.

Its progress on the pitch which matters, its about bring youth players through year on year, having the right people at the club in terms of players and backroom staff. The club does not need a new stadium to move forward it needs a better mentality which its starting to show.

Fortunately we won't be moving for the foreseeable, Fernandes will find a delay or hold up somewhere along the line.

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

How much extra revenue do you think 7k a week would bring in? If we charge £1000 for 7000 extra ST's thats £7 million not that it would be close that figure more like £4 million a year tops. Thats not even enough to keep Diakite and Mbia on the books now!!!

We could make far more through the sale of players which we buy on the cheap.

So you think we would build a new stadium for extra season ticket sales only?

Concerts
Other events
Hotel
Parking
Dining

To name but a few other revenue streams!!!!

[Stanley]

The very thing which Rangers fans love about being a QPR fan certain posters would see removed for so called better facilities and keeping up with the neighbours. You go to a football ground to watch a match not to enjoy the 'experience'. Global branding, multi purpose venues, , bigger fanbase we don't need any of this to survive...certain sorts of fans are using this as a smokescreen for what they really want. These sorts of fans want the Premier League 'experience', they want to brag about our big new ground (which we won't fill), they hide behind saying increased crowds will bring much needed revenue when its really the TV money in the PL which keeps clubs ticking over. Fortunately I don't believe these fans are anywhere close to representing our fan base who are happy at Loftus Road. You supporters who say you want better things for the club and share 'Tonys' ambition for the future just don't get it. Our very survival depends on staying at Loftus Road because once we move away our club will never be the same again. I actually think we have a certain type of supporter who is embarassed at the size of our fanbase and Loftus Road itself...personally I'd rather lose you over our home!

All very easy to say from the relative comfort and unrestricted views of your platinum seat/facilities.

When was the last time you tried slumming it in Ellerslie for example, where anyone over 5'10" has to put up with grazed shins from the seats in front, and appalling toilet facilities which takes up the whole of HT and 5 mins of the 2nd half just to have a slash due to the sheer weight of bodies (and that's without even attempting to queue for a bovril!)

I do wonder if you'd say the same thing if the above was your regular 'matchday experience' at LR.

Face it, LR has been a wonderful home, holding memories we'll treasure forever - but it's antiquated now and no longer fit for purpose.

[W12_Ranger]

So you think we would build a new stadium for extra season ticket sales only?

Concerts
Other events
Hotel
Parking
Dining

To name but a few other revenue streams!!!!

To line TF's pockets why you so sure this money will work its way into our coffers, that sort of thing may come as part of a lease agreement on a stadium...can't really see TF stumping up all the money.

Its toally unrealistic to think QPR will become some sort of cash cow if we build a new stadium.

It does make me laugh when fans think Fernandes is in it for the best interest of the club and not himself!

[Jimmy Floyd Rabbit]

To line TF's pockets why you so sure this money will work its way into our coffers, that sort of thing may come as part of a lease agreement on a stadium...can't really see TF stumping up all the money.

Its toally unrealistic to think QPR will become some sort of cash cow if we build a new stadium.

It does make me laugh when fans think Fernandes is in it for the best interest of the club and not himself!

Same as every other chairman in the world no? Other clubs seem to have done ok with the same sort of set up.

[W12_Ranger]

All very easy to say from the relative comfort of your platinum seat/facilities.

When was the last time you tried slumming it in Ellerslie for example, where anyone over 5'10" has to put up with grazed shins from the seats in front, and appalling toilet facilities which takes up the whole of HT and 5 mins of the 2nd half just to have a slash due to the sheer weight of bodies (and that's before you've even attempted queuing for a bovril!)

I do wonder if you'd say the same thing if the above was your regular 'matchday experience' at LR.

Face it, LR has been a wonderful home, holding many great memories - but it's antiquated now and no longer fit for purpose.

The seats in Platters are no different to the rest of the ground all they have is a cushion on the seat...big deal! I like to sit on the halfway line so I pay a premium for my matchday experience.

To say its not fit for purpose isa bit of an exaggeration after all it is a Premier League standard in terms of facilities and that is a fact....could it be better yes but deal with it and enjoy the football

[W12_Ranger]

Same as every other chairman in the world no? Other clubs seem to have done ok with the same sort of set up.

What clubs?

[Buffalo]

It does make me laugh when fans think Fernandes is in it for the best interest of the club and not himself!

You seem to think that everyone that wants the stadium thinks like this but I would guess that most are not as naive as you think. The two are not mutually exclusive.

In order for TF to be successful, the club has to be successful. As a fan, I want QPR to be successful and if TF can make some money on the way then I am happy for that to happen.

[W12_Ranger]

You seem to think that everyone that wants the stadium thinks like this but I would guess that most are not as naive as you think. The two are not mutually exclusive.

In order for TF to be successful, the club has to be successful. As a fan, I want QPR to be successful and if TF can make some money on the way then I am happy for that to happen.

Its how some fans which think TF's success is intimately link to QPRs success which does me. Other business interests will surface if we move to Old Oak Common which will not be tied to QPR and provide revenues for TF. Some fans think its so black and white but it isn't, any move away from Loftus Road for me is a risk and we face losing support not gaining it.

Personally I don't trust Fernandes and Beard one bit and their handling off us in the PL really did demonstrate a lack off understanding about the club and its fans.

[Jeems]

If TF and co can make QPR successful on and off the pitch, I am 100% happy for TF to make money from additional revenue streams linked to the club.

[Stanley]

Its how some fans which think TF's success is intimately link to QPRs success which does me. Other business interests will surface if we move to Old Oak Common which will not be tied to QPR and provide revenues for TF. Some fans think its so black and white but it isn't, any move away from Loftus Road for me is a risk and we face losing support not gaining it.

Personally I don't trust Fernandes and Beard one bit and their handling off us in the PL really did demonstrate a lack off understanding about the club and its fans.

Have you tried contacting QPR1st and the LSA over these concerns? They hold regular meetings with Beard and the club and would be able to put all these points to them directly. It's worth a try surely - at least it's positive action as opposed to posting on a fans forum which will most likely never be noticed.

[Buffalo]

Its how some fans which think TF's success is intimately link to QPRs success which does me. Other business interests will surface if we move to Old Oak Common which will not be tied to QPR and provide revenues for TF. Some fans think its so black and white but it isn't, any move away from Loftus Road for me is a risk and we face losing support not gaining it.

Personally I don't trust Fernandes and Beard one bit and their handling off us in the PL really did demonstrate a lack off understanding about the club and its fans.

But the success of the club and TF's success are intimately linked, at least in the short term. If it all goes wrong later on then so be it but I sincerely doubt that that is a part of TF's current plan. I would rather we try and be successful and more than we currently are, than allow LR and the club to crumble and die.

You are, of course, free to distrust TF and the board as much as you like but it smacks somewhat of paranoia to me, at least at this early stage. I don't think I saw TF or the board do anything in the PL that suggested they were doing anything other than try and improve the club (and, yes, their potential business interests). OK, so it didn't work, but at least they are still here and trying to put things right. They seem to be doing OK this year too.

[W12_Ranger]

Have you tried contacting QPR1st and the LSA over these concerns? They hold regular meetings with Beard and the club and would be able to put all these points to them directly. It's worth a try surely - at least it's positive action as opposed to posting on a fans forum which will most likely never be noticed.

Not really my thing

But the success of the club and TF's success are intimately linked, at least in the short term. If it all goes wrong later on then so be it but I sincerely doubt that that is a part of TF's current plan. I would rather we try and be successful and more than we currently are, than allow LR and the club to crumble and die.

You are, of course, free to distrust TF and the board as much as you like but it smacks somewhat of paranoia to me, at least at this early stage. I don't think I saw TF or the board do anything in the PL that suggested they were doing anything other than try and improve the club (and, yes, their potential business interests). OK, so it didn't work, but at least they are still here and trying to put things right. They seem to be doing OK this year too.

I'm not paranoid this is a messageboard i'm expressing an opinion.

What they are doing right is not interfering like the previous 2 seasosns. Just like Warnock when he was left to get on with his job.