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[vblockranger]

We don't really get that many plastics though, aint it just kids asking for England players and players they see on the world stage asking for the signatures??
I like the best of things if I can possibly get them, that why got a transfer from Charles Hocking House and moved to Barwick House, cos it was newer furbished and better.

Too late for you mate as SKY have already brainwashed you and convinced you that becoming also rans for the last 14 places in the prem is some kind of amazing competition and its all ok as long as you are part of the glitz of the "Premiership". Just as long as you get "to see the likes of ozil and Rooney etc down the bush" then your happy it seems.

[vanhoop]

Ok, there seems to be a few who are still convinced staying put is the key to a good future. Let's look a little deeper into things.

In our own area, Fulham are expanding Craven Cottage, Brentford are building a new 25k stadium, and Chelsea are looking for a new home. Arsenal have moved, Spurs are looking for either a new home or expanding White Hart Lane. West Ham will eventually move to the Olympic stadium. See the pattern emerging?

Now, with a smaller stadium, we end up with less revenue and dwindling sponsorship. Our TV revenue becomes much reduced as many fans are content to see us play in lower leagues. Sponsors cash ends up at places like Fulham and Chelsea, and even Brentford, with their new stadium, manage to pull in additional revenue.

Meanwhile, at sub-19k Loftus Road, the diehards begin to die off and guess what, they're not replaced by a new generation because the new generation have gone off to support the likes of Chelsea and Fulham.

Our London rivals cease to be Chelsea or Fulham, but Leyton Orient. Eventually, sections of the ground begin to close because there's no money for repairs. Still, what remaining fans that are left could always get the buckets out again.

The new stadium isn't just about the here and now. It isn't about the few short-sighted people who think we can stay at LR for the next 50-100 years. It's about building a sustainable future for the club to ensure it survives long after all of us have snuffed it.

We have a one-off opportunity. If we fail to take it, be sure Chelsea will. If we allow Chelsea and Fulham to dominate NW, W, and SW London, with Brentford mopping up areas in Middlesex, where will we end up?

We will lose our soul when we lose our club.

I take my hat off to you sir.exceptional post that puts it In layman's terms

[vespa]

You missed a third option for those that arent that worried about the Prem and all it brings....how about dont sell our soul to pay ridiculous Premiership wages that we as a small club cannot sustain? Rather not play in the prem if we get to retain our identity and stay at Loftus Road. No more "Global Branding" or worrying if we are "marketable in Asia" just staying true to ourselves and admitting that we have a small fanbase that doesnt need a 40k stadium and doesnt need the Premiership either. Prem, Championship, League 1 or 2 doesnt bother me if we retain our identity as i will always be a fan and i am not here, like TF, to earn as much money as i can. Seems a few fans have become obsessed with playing in the Prem and being in the Panini sticker books.

V that was one of the best posts I've read on here for a long time

[vespa]

Ok, there seems to be a few who are still convinced staying put is the key to a good future. Let's look a little deeper into things.

In our own area, Fulham are expanding Craven Cottage, Brentford are building a new 25k stadium, and Chelsea are looking for a new home. Arsenal have moved, Spurs are looking for either a new home or expanding White Hart Lane. West Ham will eventually move to the Olympic stadium. See the pattern emerging?

Now, with a smaller stadium, we end up with less revenue and dwindling sponsorship. Our TV revenue becomes much reduced as many fans are content to see us play in lower leagues. Sponsors cash ends up at places like Fulham and Chelsea, and even Brentford, with their new stadium, manage to pull in additional revenue.

Meanwhile, at sub-19k Loftus Road, the diehards begin to die off and guess what, they're not replaced by a new generation because the new generation have gone off to support the likes of Chelsea and Fulham.

Our London rivals cease to be Chelsea or Fulham, but Leyton Orient. Eventually, sections of the ground begin to close because there's no money for repairs. Still, what remaining fans that are left could always get the buckets out again.


The new stadium isn't just about the here and now. It isn't about the few short-sighted people who think we can stay at LR for the next 50-100 years. It's about building a sustainable future for the club to ensure it survives long after all of us have snuffed it.

We have a one-off opportunity. If we fail to take it, be sure Chelsea will. If we allow Chelsea and Fulham to dominate NW, W, and SW London, with Brentford mopping up areas in Middlesex, where will we end up?

We will lose our soul when we lose our club.

There seem to be a few on here that think selling our soul ,moving to a retail park and playing in a half empty stadium is the key to a good future . let's look a little deeper.

In our own area ,Fulham have filled their ground with plastic middle class rugby fans and tourists, Chelsea have disowned their old school hardcore support ( for obvious reasons ) and filled their ground with flag waving johnny come latelys , Brentford are building a ground that they will never possibly half fill , so that's wrapped up the local clubs . is there a blue print for us there ? I think not.
Arsenal and Spurs are both much ,much bigger clubs then us so there really isn't too much point comparing .

Now ,in a small stadium ,we can pack it to the hilt with real QPR fans ,you know ,people like you and me who love Rangers and don't necessarily have to have premier league football and padded seats and Wayne Rooney to enhance the experience. Because our ground is an old school ground full of passionate fans it is possible to create the sort of atmosphere s we had against Chelsea ,and Man City a couple of seasons ago . ( Fulham would love to have an atmosphere half as good as that ).
If we do play in the prem ,( which in my opinion is not the be all and end all ,unlike some people )the vast majority of money comes from TV not gate receipts anyway , so we won't be in financial meltdown ,like the scaremongers would have you believe .
No matter what division we find ourselves in at Loftus rd , we will carry on getting the 13/14000 home gates we've always had ,because people who support Rangers do so because of family , area ties etc and because our support passed down from generation to generation , unlike the newbie Fulham and Chelsea fans .
We know this ,because it has been proved season after season ,that they will turn up and stay loyal , so all that rubbish about parts of the ground having to close is just scaremongering ( you don't write for the Mail or the Express do you Richard ?)

What's to say that Tony or whoever owns this new ground , because it won't be ours , won't start charging exorbitant rent once its built ? ( like what's happened to Coventry ) because once its built and making money for the owners out of sponsorships ,concerts ,selling off retail space etc we could easily find ourselves surplus to requirements , and once we've sold off the family siverware ie Loftus rd , we could be bang in trouble

I love Rangers , were a small club ,with passionate real fans and I don't want our future put in jeopardy , or to play in some soulless half empty ground , just so we can attempt to survive relegation from the premier league ,season after season .
Its a gamble with our future ,I personally don't believe is worth taking

[vespa]

TV money in the prem makes us self sustainable .............. IF it is spent correctly.

Big music venue makes Fernandes et al EVEN richer ! FACT

'QPR' won't own it, we'll be paying rent to an umbrella company to use it.

Do you do any away games ?

Huddersfield, Wigan, Bolton and others all play in shiny new half empty soulless stadiums ..........

The future's bright MY ARSHE !

True true NW

[QPR Richard]

Did you enjoy the prem last 2 seasons? Do you want to be in a league where its pretty much guaranteed we wont get in the top six? Just like the prem for its razzmatazz and its media exposure? Just because you want to be a Bill Big Bowlarks and want other teams fans to recognise that cos you support a prem club? TF and the board are desperate to get back to the prem and all that exposure but what is it as a fan that appeals to you? Me....i dont give a toss what league we are in as long as we still remain that family club from West London but i would like to be able to compete in a league and not where all we got too look forward to is a cup run. Dont care about the media exposure of the prem or about having "names" playing for us.

Let me ask you a few things V, along with those who share your viewpoint. Do you have no desire to see your club play against the best teams in the country? Are you happy to keep the family stand in the lower loft, after all, you want it to remain a 'family club'?

You mention in another post that fans should be giving opposing players abuse, not asking them for autographs. Is that the right thing for a 'family club' and the way to bring up kids?

If you and your supporters owned the club and we came top this season, would you refuse promotion to the prem, knowing you would be the first club to do so? After all, you seem heavily against the razzmatazz and media exposure in the prem. Would you prefer not to subject the club to that ever again?

[QPR Richard]

Do some people not remember the days of having owners that didn't invest while we were in the lower leagues? How about the bucket collections? The loan taken out using the stadium as security? The merger threat? The share issue and its subsequent collapse? Playing in a half-empty LR and getting whacked by a team of unknowns? Did you enjoy watching us in English football's third tier?

Been there seen it done it. Do I want more of the same? No thanks.

[MattyRangers]

I love the prem for some reason. Ok its better not losing down here, but we are playing some right dog shite opponents and the games have been pretty tedious and boring. I want to see the likes of ozil and Rooney etc down the bush. It still feels like family to me, jut that we are holding much better parties when we are up there. And I'm pretty sure we won't be the whipping boys next time we are there. And I for one, can't wait.

Personally rather be watching us beat the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield, Bolton with the crowd buzzing and morale in the camp high than have the likes of Arsenal, Utd, City whoop us every week with us paying £50 each for the privilege.

[shanns]

Personally rather be watching us beat the likes of Leeds, Huddersfield, Bolton with the crowd buzzing and morale in the camp high than have the likes of Arsenal, Utd, City whoop us every week with us paying £50 each for the privilege.

need to have ambition or may as well shrivel up and die

[QPR Richard]

need to have ambition or may as well shrivel up and die

Good point.

[MattyRangers]

need to have ambition or may as well shrivel up and die

I agree and I'm not saying I want to be in the Championship forever, simply that I don't want to be in the PL for the sake of being in the PL. Unless we are in a position to compete, it's a waste of time. I don't "want to see Rooney & Ozil" at Loftus Road if we are getting beaten every week.

[californiahoop]

Ok, there seems to be a few who are still convinced staying put is the key to a good future. Let's look a little deeper into things.

In our own area, Fulham are expanding Craven Cottage, Brentford are building a new 25k stadium, and Chelsea are looking for a new home. Arsenal have moved, Spurs are looking for either a new home or expanding White Hart Lane. West Ham will eventually move to the Olympic stadium. See the pattern emerging?

Now, with a smaller stadium, we end up with less revenue and dwindling sponsorship. Our TV revenue becomes much reduced as many fans are content to see us play in lower leagues. Sponsors cash ends up at places like Fulham and Chelsea, and even Brentford, with their new stadium, manage to pull in additional revenue.

Meanwhile, at sub-19k Loftus Road, the diehards begin to die off and guess what, they're not replaced by a new generation because the new generation have gone off to support the likes of Chelsea and Fulham.

Our London rivals cease to be Chelsea or Fulham, but Leyton Orient. Eventually, sections of the ground begin to close because there's no money for repairs. Still, what remaining fans that are left could always get the buckets out again.

The new stadium isn't just about the here and now. It isn't about the few short-sighted people who think we can stay at LR for the next 50-100 years. It's about building a sustainable future for the club to ensure it survives long after all of us have snuffed it.

We have a one-off opportunity. If we fail to take it, be sure Chelsea will. If we allow Chelsea and Fulham to dominate NW, W, and SW London, with Brentford mopping up areas in Middlesex, where will we end up?

We will lose our soul when we lose our club.

I stop replying to these sort of post as I can't believe how short sighted people are, we are luck to get a second chance as I thought when we missed the old white city site years ago that was it. LR is not fit for propose! End off!!!

[MattyRangers]

I stop replying to these sort of post as I can't believe how short sighted people are, we are luck to get a second chance as I thought when we missed the old white city site years ago that was it. LR is not fit for propose! End off!!!

You'd have to be half a divv to want to marry a stadium anyway.

[californiahoop]

Lol, on a train and iPhone has a ****** cracked screen

[Kevin Mcleod]

Do some people not remember the days of having owners that didn't invest while we were in the lower leagues? How about the bucket collections? The loan taken out using the stadium as security? The merger threat? The share issue and its subsequent collapse? Playing in a half-empty LR and getting whacked by a team of unknowns? Did you enjoy watching us in English football's third tier?

Been there seen it done it. Do I want more of the same? No thanks.

My thoughts in better words than I can type.
Who do people want to see our 'family club' pitting our wits against, the likes of RVP, or McCormack?
I'm with the world stars, not pub stars.

I will/would be totally gutted to leave Loftus road, love the place and always will. But everyone moves home when they do better in life. I would just have to look at it like that and get on with it. Cos let's be honest, our ground is a bit Austin Allegro to the likes of other clubs Ferraris.