Old oak common...

[NW_Hoopz]

Our avatars are similar ???? His is a fella on the khazy and mine is a vespa T5 , (
albeit after some t wat sideswiped me and left me on crutches for two months ). Saying a vespa and a crapper look similar is just sacrilegious !

Easy mistake to make though Vesp's

[Snaxo]

I see some are still moaning about the inevitable under the current owners. Pointless, but hey ho...roll on if it makes you happy ! ;-)

Football is now business. Big business (though mostly not actually 'good' business it seems). Everyone knows this and stating it almost seems ridiculous at this point, because everyone already knows it. That doesn't fit in with the romantic view the longer term old school supporter has, but again, that's reality. You basically gotta deal with it and adapt, really, otherwise, yup, keep on pointless moaning :D

And Chelsea are a laughing stock? What you mean the recent Champions League winning club with some of the worlds best players playing for them, and one of the worlds best managers. Oh yea, they really are a joke! Oh, wait, its cos they have loads of 'new plastic fans'. That must be it. You mean the loads of new revenue generating fans (hint 'business') , growing year on year worldwide that will eventually probably propel them to sustainability, in a business sense, as one of the major powers of world football. That maybe an exaggeration but it's probably not far off. Yep, they really are a joke!

I totally empathise with how this leads to a lot of detachment, a different kind of 'fan'- and it's not great, it does feel like it kills the romance of the game a little (to me, too) But it's reality boys. And you or I aint gonna change it. We're supporting a club who have owners who have a desire to progress this club in one direction only.

[NW_Hoopz]

I see some are still moaning about the inevitable under the current owners. Pointless, but hey ho...roll on if it makes you happy ! ;-)

Football is now business. Big business (though mostly not actually 'good' business it seems). Everyone knows this and stating it almost seems ridiculous at this point, because everyone already knows it. That doesn't fit in with the romantic view the longer term old school supporter has, but again, that's reality. You basically gotta deal with it and adapt, really, otherwise, yup, keep on pointless moaning :D

And Chelsea are a laughing stock? What you mean the recent Champions League winning club with some of the worlds best players playing for them, and one of the worlds best managers. Oh yea, they really are a joke! Oh, wait, its cos they have loads of 'new plastic fans'. That must be it. You mean the loads of new revenue generating fans (hint 'business') , growing year on year worldwide that will eventually probably propel them to sustainability, in a business sense, as one of the major powers of world football. That maybe an exaggeration but it's probably not far off. Yep, they really are a joke!

I totally empathise with how this leads to a lot of detachment, a different kind of 'fan'- and it's not great, it does feel like it kills the romance of the game a
little (to me, too) But it's reality boys. And you or I aint gonna change it. We're supporting a club who have owners who have a desire to progress this club in one direction only.

We fully comprehend what is happening Snaxo and the only problem 'we' have with progress is the thought of rattling around a 40k stadium.

[brightonr]

Just watch them on SKY mate or go sit in the away support at Chelsea/Fulham. You dont really want rangers to be in a league that they have no chance of getting into the top 6 season after boring season do you?

Who would have thought that little old QPR would have almost been champions of England in the 70's? Just a whisker away from competing in the European Cup that season, which of course was won by the team to have pipped us at the death.

You need to have dreams to achieve anything mate.

[Snaxo]

We fully comprehend what is happening Snaxo and the only problem 'we' have with progress is the thought of rattling around a 40k stadium.

Yea, I do get that and it's a very valid point. Well, I guess we don't know for sure how 'big' it will be at this point. It's all rumor to a degree. It certainly is a struggle to see us getting anywhere near those attendances in the foreseeable. And rattling around indeed, won't make for a good atmosphere. But we'll have to see what happens I guess. As I say, I empathise. I've been visiting LR for 36 years. Moving away will be a real gutter in many ways. But you can't halt 'progress' when those in control want it. I'm just trying to focus on the positives more than worrying about the possible negatives. Perhaps a little head in the sand, but the outcome really is 'all to play for' in many ways.

[Olly]

If we get our 40,000 stadium, I would think ticket prices would come down in the short-term in order to fill it. You couldn't have a situation where we pay our normal prices and 25,000 extra people come in every game for a fiver say. This is a broader question for the club to answer at a fans meeting.

[Johnnykc]

Who would have thought that little old QPR would have almost been champions of England in the 70's? Just a whisker away from competing in the European Cup that season, which of course was won by the team to have pipped us at the death.

You need to have dreams to achieve anything mate.

Agree.

There are some incredibly narrow minds on this forum.

[Jeems]

Pay players a basic wage with a realistic performance related bonus ?

Yes, because thats really going to work! Unless every club enforces this, this will never happen.

I would be happier if it was a small compact 25k stadium that belonged to the club and was an asset just in case TF gets bored. Still wouldnt be happy moving from our home but better than what the board have been rumoured to want.

So erm, who's gonna build this 25k asset then? You?

What would be the point in spending years getting planning permission, going through all the residents protests, paying a designer, building it - for a 25k stadium which in all honesty we could probably fill today if we were in the Prem, let alone in 5-10 years when its actually built. Even Brentford think they can eventually fill a 25k stadium, we need to aim higher.

There's no point banging on about soulless arenas like Coventry etc. They are empty and soulless because a) their fans make it like that b) not a big enough catchment area for new fans c) Prospective new fans dont want to watch poor quality football, d) no investment in the team (no tv money plays a big part) and e) they ran out of money. 1 day a week of action, 6 days empty stadium. Pointless.

We on the other hand are bang in the middle of London. Completely different story.

[MattyRangers]

Yes, because thats really going to work! Unless every club enforces this, this will never happen.



So erm, who's gonna build this 25k asset then? You?

What would be the point in spending years getting planning permission, going through all the residents protests, paying a designer, building it - for a 25k stadium which in all honesty we could probably fill today if we were in the Prem, let alone in 5-10 years when its actually built. Even Brentford think they can eventually fill a 25k stadium, we need to aim higher.

There's no point banging on about soulless arenas like Coventry etc. They are empty and soulless because a) their fans make it like that b) not a big enough catchment area for new fans c) Prospective new fans dont want to watch poor quality football, d) no investment in the team (no tv money plays a big part) and e) they ran out of money. 1 day a week of action, 6 days empty stadium. Pointless.

We on the other hand are bang in the middle of London. Completely different story.

No we couldn't. We didn't even sell out every game in PL - tickets went on general sale for Chelski at home.

[vblockranger]

No we couldn't. We didn't even sell out every game in PL - tickets went on general sale for Chelski at home.

Now you gone and burst his little bubble :-)

[vblockranger]

So erm, who's gonna build this 25k asset then? You?

Which is my point as imo this would be a better stadium for QPR rather than a 40k+ stadium which is better for the owners. My only concern is the club...TF and the board also have to think about how they are going to add to their fortunes.

[Factamondo]

we will never build a new stadium................fact!

[Jeems]

No we couldn't. We didn't even sell out every game in PL - tickets went on general sale for Chelski at home.

There or thereabouts. If we were in the Prem today (3rd yr straight) with a 25k stadium we would get 20-22k or so. What will it be like in 10 years? 20 years? 50 years? Assuming a prolonged run of seasons in the top flight. The vision for the new stadium extends far beyond the next few years.

Which is my point as imo this would be a better stadium for QPR rather than a 40k+ stadium which is better for the owners. My only concern is the club...TF and the board also have to think about how they are going to add to their fortunes.

Unfortunately no one is going to build a stadium for us out of the kindness of their own heart. If I was a multimillionaire, even I wouldn't just go splash £150mil on a new stadium and expect no return.

[Factamondo]

we dont need to strangle ourselves with the massive spectre of debt that a new stadium would bring ...we cant even sell out 18000 the loftus rd more than a handful of games a season ....why buy a 6 bedroom house when you only have four kids n no plans for anymore!

[Jeems]

we dont need to strangle ourselves with the massive spectre of debt that a new stadium would bring ...we cant even sell out 18000 the loftus rd more than a handful of games a season ....why buy a 6 bedroom house when you only have four kids n no plans for anymore!

Because she's got adoption plans afoot!