Austin pleads with QPR fans to lay off Zamora

[Stanley]

This type of targeting is bad for morale; the other players figure who's next and keeps the focus off results. Nobody improves from barracking, the opposite in fact. Wish people would focus on support.

People have a right to boo players if they're not satisfied with their performance or commitment. If you can't take the boo-ing, maybe you need to find another career.

Very poor and ill-thought out argument. The best players in the world would be negatively affected if they were constantly booed by their own fans. Does that mean they should find another career? No, of course not. And this is before you even come on to the knock on negative effect it has on the rest of the team.

[zeberdee]

despite the limitations his injuries give him he can still bring something to the team but needs to be used to his strengths.

for example him being furthest forward, ball to his chest so he dont have to jump, he holds it up with back to goal while team mates approach, then either he passes it back to an approaching striker to shoot or round the corner if the midfielder has run past him etc. It can be very effective and difficult to defend against.

it requires team work in the final third and there was very little of that last year where individual goals seemed to be the sole plan of attack. Seen some improvements this year but not there yet .

[vblockranger]

So he is obviously injured and should have an op. So why play him? Do we have no other player at the club that could do the same job as an injured not very mobile Zamora? if not then why not?He will continue to get booed whether he deserves it or not when fans see him and his limited mobility on the pitch. If he was a dog he would have been put down by now the poor fella on tens of thousands of pounds per week.

[Kevin Mcleod]

Three or four more games without scoring and the headlines will be 'Zamora asks fans to lay off Charlie'.

[vblockranger]

Three or four more games without scoring and the headlines will be 'Zamora asks fans to lay off Charlie'.

lol you might have a point.... reckon 5 more games and if Charlie hasnt scored the grumblings and shouts will begin.

[madara]

What if your boss is clueless? Have you done an empirical study to come to the conclusion that those who do the boo-ing are "clueless, not in the loop" spectators?

The managers job is (but not limited to) to judge the players in training, matches etc and then select players who he thinks can do the job he wants them to do. If the supporters boo (their own player) we basically take some of the managers power away. Hence we are making his job more difficult (when we don't have + deep down we want our club to do well).

The manager should be judged by the result over a period of time. In HR and MH, they were not good enough but that imo does not justify boing a few players especially since its a team game. If the manager believes a player can do a certain job or that he is the best player at this moment in time in that particular position then that player is selected. Perhaps it might not appear that this is so but the manager believes in that player and so should we.

All fans are clueless in the sense that they know basically nothing of what goes on behind the scenes compared to the manager. The managers job is to know a lot more about the team than the fans, players, coaches, scouts, media etc. So yes fans are clueless and out of the loop regardless of how much is speculated and reported by the other involved parties. No matter how much we voice our opinion here we will never know more about the team than the manager.

For example lets assume all our strikers except BZ are not 100% for different reasons we know nothing about. BZ gets selected. BZ plays alright and according to the managers tactic. Some fans disagree and boo. BZ plays worse. Manager is forced to change him for an even less suitable player. Manager is forced to change tactic (to one he didnt want to use in the first place). We lose, game over. Of course it can go the other way but the important thing is that we should not force the manager to do anything.

[Marshy]

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Very poor and ill-thought out argument. The best players in the world would be negatively affected if they were constantly booed by their own fans. Does that mean they should find another career? No, of course not. And this is before you even come on to the knock on negative effect it has on the rest of the team.

I don't think the best players in the world would be constantly booed - players get booed when they're not performing.

At the end of the day, football isn't just a game of skill and physical strength, it also has requires mental strength. If some booing when you're not performing is going to upset you so much that you can't play well again, then maybe this isn't the right career for you.

[vblockranger]

For example lets assume all our strikers except BZ are not 100% for different reasons we know nothing about. BZ gets selected. BZ plays alright and according to the managers tactic. Some fans disagree and boo. BZ plays worse. Manager is forced to change him for an even less suitable player. Manager is forced to change tactic (to one he didnt want to use in the first place)

Welcome to the world of football young fella...knew you would get here eventually. You forgot manager has to try to keep fans on good side and picking an immobile "striker" who is obviously injured is always asking for trouble.

[Marshy]

The managers job is (but not limited to) to judge the players in training, matches etc and then select players who he thinks can do the job he wants them to do. If the supporters boo (their own player) we basically take some of the managers power away. Hence we are making his job more difficult (when we don't have + deep down we want our club to do well).

The manager should be judged by the result over a period of time. In HR and MH, they were not good enough but that imo does not justify boing a few players especially since its a team game. If the manager believes a player can do a certain job or that he is the best player at this moment in time in that particular position then that player is selected. Perhaps it might not appear that this is so but the manager believes in that player and so should we.

All fans are clueless in the sense that they know basically nothing of what goes on behind the scenes compared to the manager. The managers job is to know a lot more about the team than the fans, players, coaches, scouts, media etc. So yes fans are clueless and out of the loop regardless of how much is speculated and reported by the other involved parties. No matter how much we voice our opinion here we will never know more about the team than the manager.

For example lets assume all our strikers except BZ are not 100% for different reasons we know nothing about. BZ gets selected. BZ plays alright and according to the managers tactic. Some fans disagree and boo. BZ plays worse. Manager is forced to change him for an even less suitable player. Manager is forced to change tactic (to one he didnt want to use in the first place). We lose, game over. Of course it can go the other way but the important thing is that we should not force the manager to do anything.

Just because you don't know exactly what is happening behind the scenes all the time it doesn't imply you're "clueless". At the end of the day, human beings have to make a judgement of some sort or the other in all walks of life. If a fan feels a player is lazy and isn't really interested, then the fan has a right to boo. If that player was not 100% fit, then it is the job of the club to make that be known after the game.

[madara]

If we'd hadn't booed them then the likes of Boswinga, Park et al would still be stinking up the place and we wouldn't be second in the league, favourites for promotion, and have the best squad we've had down the Rangers since the early 1990s. That said Bob needs encouragement and support. He's not a Boswinga.

We don't know that.

[qprted]

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I blame zamora for us getting relegated his inability to even know where the goal is incedible


the man is a skunk and needs a broken leg to wake him up a bit

hes a disgrace,gthe same as all you supporters who dont sing,your all a disgrace

[Kevin Mcleod]

Bobby doesn't get picked though does he. He's a sub, cover for the other two cos he is all we have. Will never be first choice when they are fit.

[Marshy]

At least Bobby can say he is a two-cap wonder, unlike Barton and Bothroyd who are one-cap wonders

[madara]

Like you never moan in supermarket or at a takeaway when the staff is acting slow or something. You telling me you never complained about not being served in a professional manner. Everyone has the right to moan and vent their frustration at people. Then its up to the manager to either defend them or tell them off.

I go to the supermarket to buy groceries. The less money for the same quality the better. Sometimes I pick the wrong tomato, sometimes I can't drink all my milk before the expiration date. However I do not go to the supermarket to support their employees, I go there to buy food.

If you go to watch a game to see QPR players appear give their all then you are going to be disappointed more often than not especially in the EPL against 'better teams'.

[madara]

Surely depends on the player and the circumstances, Dave. Those who booed Hughesless, Boswinga and Park last year made a very useful contribution to the club under those circumstances. To boo anyone now would be very, very foolish, however.

If I remember correctly some players got booed before we were relegated. How did that help us? Frakking suicidal.