To Madara

[Rangers77]

It is not true that you have not tried to stop him. Be honest.

It is a Rangers forum, not a Park forum, but it appears that Park still has two years left on his contract with QPR. Thus, Park is still a relevant topic in this forum, and madara is completely within his right to post about said topic.

You on the other hand have no right to persistently respond to his posts about Park by "telling him he's a tool" and otherwise belittle or insult him constantly. Continually responding to his posts in such a way is abuse, and that is against the forum rules.

I'm honestly done with you two pair of nutters. I know I'm not the only one. Why not go hang round outside Park's house so you can gaze adoringly at him. You're not Rangers fans. You know nothing about the Rangers. You care nothing about the Rangers. Therefore- in all honesty- you shouldn't be posting on a FU@KING RANGERS FORUM!!!!! PM yourselves and go exchange pictures of your hero...... Leave us Rangers fans alone. Night......

[QPR71]

Madara says that he is a QPR supporter. I will take his word over yours. We are talking about him, after all, not you.

im not aiming that at you, him or anybody, im not telling anyone what to do.....merely a point of logic

[Joon]

im not aiming that at you, him or anybody, im not telling anyone what to do.....merely a point of logic

I understand what you mean about supporting the club, but it is just not that simple for international fans.

[Joon]

I'm honestly done with you two pair of nutters. I know I'm not the only one. Why not go hang round outside Park's house so you can gaze adoringly at him. You're not Rangers fans. You know nothing about the Rangers. You care nothing about the Rangers. Therefore- in all honesty- you shouldn't be posting on a FU@KING RANGERS FORUM!!!!! PM yourselves and go exchange pictures of your hero...... Leave us Rangers fans alone. Night......

Now, that is more honest. Still inappropriate, as you have no say in the matter.

Obviously, this is your problem, not mine or madara's. Go sleep it off if you can.

[QPR71]

I understand what you mean about supporting the club, but it is just not that simple for international fans.

I can see that, you support players in football like I admire tour de france cyclists

[bushcelt1]

I can see that, you support players in football like I admire tour de france cyclists

our local bike was used by all.

[QPR71]

our local bike was used by all.

ahh...was that the tour de Kilburn.......a local bike can come in handy in times of need

[bushcelt1]

ahh...was that the tour de Kilburn.......a local bike can come in handy in times of need

grove mountain stage...riders had plenty to choose from.

[QPR71]

grove mountain stage...riders had plenty to choose from.

ive done that stage many times

[Grifter]

I think the problem here is that in Joon and Madara's world, park is a hero and superstar. This is heavily engrained onto their consciousness- as i'm sure it is with most Korean football fans. They've inhabited a reality for so long that preaches park-stardom than it's impossible for them to project themselves into other people's shoes.
Park is entirely irrelevant to us, and I mean that without exaggeration. We genuinely care about Park as much as you do about say....Noel Hunt.
He had a rubbish season with QPR, and as such, we don't want him back. That's how we'd feel about ANY player who was terrible with us for a year. But he isn't just "any player" to you guys, he's your god and idol.

We'd just won a hard fought victory yesterday when Madara posted his Park thread. Fans of a football teams don't forgo discussing that teams successes, in favour of posting threads about random inconsequential "any player"s.

Joon- "I think that as QPR fans we should hope that Park regains his true form this season, and that he will contribute next season what he could not last season. Wish him well, he is our player. "

His true form? No footballing experts or pundits believe Park didn't display his "true form" last season, the universal consensus (outside of Korea) is that he's not any good any more. We have an unbiased opinion on him here, because he's just another player.
The guy is now purely being used as a marketing tool, and anyone who can't see that is deluded (likely as a result of cultural brainwashing...).

I didn't object to Madara's initial thread posting, I objected to his obnoxious belittling responses to long-time R's fans expressing their distaste at it. As a preacher of free speech Joon, aren't these people free to express their opinions on the thread, as well?
It really really hurt (real) QPR fans to see their club leeched and relegated by mercenaries last season. It was a sad sad chapter in the clubs history, a chapter which would probably bear an illustration of Park himself. Him, and players of his ilk, are the entire reason our club became a laughing stock last season. Aging expensive has-beens flogged to us by unscrupulous agents. So to see threads about him incongruously posted in our times of triumph is galling, and will always receive a backlash.

Get used to that

[NW_Hoopz]

I understand what you mean about supporting th
e club, but it is just not that simple for international fans.

I don't know what could be any simpler ................ TBH

[Joon]

I didn't object to Madara's initial thread posting, I objected to his obnoxious belittling responses to long-time R's fans expressing their distaste at it. As a preacher of free speech Joon, aren't these people free to express their opinion's on the thread, as well?

Grifter, review your logic. The right to speech or post does not give one the right to say or post things that impede said right of others. Forum rules prohibit insult and abuse of other members.

Some posters expressed distaste at the timing of madara's post, some expressed disinterest or hostility at the topic of the post, and some went further to insult or belittle madara himself before he began to respond in like kind.

Expressing distaste at the timing of madara's post may be within the right of every poster, but just how many threads did madara start at the time? Just one. Disinterested people should just have steered clear of the thread, or if they felt compelled to express their distaste, it would have sufficed to limit the criticism to the timing of it without making it personal. This was not the case.

As for the topic, Park is still in contract with QPR, it is a relevant topic whether unpopular or not. Regardless of its popularity, madara was within the forum rules in creating the thread. Some of the people who responded to it elevated it to insult and abuse, in violation of the forum rules, and impeded with madara's right to post his opinions.

[Joon]

I don't know what could be any simpler ................ TBH

NW, I don't know how you became a QPR supporter, but I'm guessing it was due to one of the following 1.) family/friends, 2.) where you lived. That's pretty simple.

With international fans, these methods of beginning to support QPR is not possible. Each international fan would come to support QPR in different ways, and in a lot of cases they will be drawn to the club by a player they are following closely. In other cases, there would be more complex situations that bring them to QPR. That is why it is not simple.

[Grifter]

The only people who can impede Madara's 'right to post' are the mods, nobody else has the power to edit or remove them. It should be expected that football forums will contain football fans, and as such, are likely to be home to posts exhibiting industrial language and strongly-conveyed opinions. If a posting is counter to the interests of the club or it's fans, it's likely that these postings will be targeted with those strong opinions.

Park is essentially a slightly less repugnant Boingwa (they're both the 'sort' of signing that ruined us last year, if not identical in attitude). Pro bosingwa posts, WUM posts from Chelsea fans, park posts- they're all likely to receive the type of backlash football fans are prone to giving on the terraces. It's always likely a coin or two might be flung.

This has always happened on football forums, it isn't new, and it's rarely meant with genuine malice- so I think you should chill out a bit about it. Plenty of other well intentioned threads end up being swamped with criticism, and i'd wonder why you don't come to the aid of those rather than just the Park-related ones?

It's hard to just avoid inappropriate threads when they appear at the top of forums you regularly browse. Most people tend to click new threads to see what's inside, I don't think it should be entirely the responsibility of the reader to sift through off topic cr4p. People posting off topic cr4p should be encouraged to reconsider their posting of it as well (in the context of yesterdays win, Park was entirely off topic). Or at the very least, not get arsey when others object to it

[Joon]

If madara posted about Park within the match thread or MOTM thread, that would be off-topic. As it was, madara created his own thread, within the QPR forum, about a player who is still contracted to QPR, which is on-topic. Unpopular topic, yes, off-topic, no.

As for the merits of Bosingwa and Park, which I will not get into, you and everyone else have a right to assess, rate, and criticize each player, as I have always been quite clear about and have no problem with. Likewise, madara and I have the same rights, and you nor others should criticize him or me for how we each rate or think of Park.

You are completely right that only the moderators should have any authority to stop madara from expressing his views. However, as it is, a handful of members have the idea that it is acceptable behavior for them to achieve the same through bullying. You and other members of the forum, including myself, have no authority and no right to drive any member away by systematically insulting or belittling him just because he has a differing opinion. Disagree with his views all you want, but it is against the forum rules to take it beyond that, as has been the case with madara.