24hrs Mourning on Korean section of WATRB

[QPR Richard]

Well, I've already said this numerous times, but last season was the worst of Park's career, and I agree that it was pretty woeful. Let's leave it at that because I don't want this thread to turn into yet another discussion about Park.

I was actually posting in response to Northolt's comment, which was also a response to MYU's response to Facto's post. MYU countered Facto's post by pointing out that the South Korean national football team defeated Team GB and went on to win the bronze in last year's London Olympics. Northolt remarked that he would rather rely on World Cup results than Olympics, so I posted the recent World Cup results to put it into context.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on that topic.

So many people think Britain and England the same thing. They are not, far from it. It's like me saying North Korea and South Korea are the same thing, Korea. Of course, that's not true either. They both have different political systems, as does Britain since the advent of the Scottish parliament and Welsh Assembly.

I for one do not recognise the validity of the British to govern England in its entirety while England has no separate political body like Scotland has. Britain is not a nation, it's a union of nations, so comparing South Korea to Team GB is irrelevant.

Rant over

[Joon]

So many people think Britain and England the same thing. They are not, far from it. It's like me saying North Korea and South Korea are the same thing, Korea. Of course, that's not true either. They both have different political systems, as does Britain since the advent of the Scottish parliament and Welsh Assembly.

I for one do not recognise the validity of the British to govern England in its entirety while England has no separate political body like Scotland has. Britain is not a nation, it's a union of nations, so comparing South Korea to Team GB is irrelevant.

Rant over

Richard, I understand the distinction between England and Britain, but I presumed that Britain's football team in last year's Olympics were primarily picked based on merit rather than which part of the British Isles they were from?

Just checked, and the team consisted of 13 English and 5 Welsh players. Would a fully English side have performed better? Personally, I don't think Giggs and Bellamy detracted from the team, although it wasn't Giggs' best performance.

P.S. South Korea's constitution does not recognize North Korea, so technically all the people living on the Korean peninsula are South Korean citizens according to South Korean law. Recently, the S. Korean courts awarded part of an estate to heirs living in North Korea.

[West Mids QPR]

Joon,

I appreciate your intelligent posts, and interesting thoughts...

But for us, it just seems strange that people become aligned to a club because of a player from their own country. It all seems
a little bit fickle to us as long standing, suffering football (QPR) fans. I guess I even envy that kind of nationalistic loyalty...
We, on the other hand, moan about everything, as you will well know !!!

Park has undoubtedly been one of the most disappointing QPR signings ever, especially when you consider his price, heritage, promise
and all the hype that surrounded him. I wish him well, but would never want to see him play for us again. Lacks heart and bite and passion...

and those ARE the unique British traits...

[Factamondo]

England
2002: 6th
2006: 7th
2010: 13th



2014: Not yet qualified

South Korea
2002: 4th
2006: 17th
2010: 15th
2014: Qualified

S. Korea did slightly better in 2002, England did better in 2006, England did slightly better in 2010. S. Korea did better in the London Olympics, which may not be the full picture, but it is not something one can ignore when placed in this context.

Of course, England is where football began, and thus England has done better than S. Korea at the world cup historically, despite it being much more challenging to qualify. In recent years, the difference between the two national teams is not as clear as Facto would like.

Most Asian football leagues are 3rd rate compared to the EPL, but the comparison no longer stands true for Asian and English footballers.

in 2002 south korea 'cheated' spain in a knockout match you should/would ahve lost.....now i dont want to turn it into a race thing but purely based on waht ive seen...........south korean players are excrement on the whole!

[Factamondo]

Joon,

I appreciate your intelligent posts, and interesting thoughts...

But for us, it just seems strange that people become aligned to a club because of a player from their own country. It all seems
a little bit fickle to us as long standing, suffering football (QPR) fans. I guess I even envy that kind of nationalistic loyalty...
We, on the other hand, moan about everything, as you will well know !!!

Park has undoubtedly been one of the most disappointing QPR signings ever, especially when you consider his price, heritage, promise
and all the hype that surrounded him. I wish him well, but would never want to see him play for us again. Lacks heart and bite and passion...

and those ARE the unique British traits...

west mid s that post is a nailed on 24 carot 100% 'factamondo' old son!

[MattyRangers]

Well, I've already said this numerous times, but last season was the worst of Park's career, and I agree that it was pretty woeful. Let's leave it at that because I don't want this thread to turn into yet another discussion about Park.

I was actually posting in response to Northolt's comment, which was also a response to MYU's response to Facto's post. MYU countered Facto's post by pointing out that the South Korean national football team defeated Team GB and went on to win the bronze in last year's London Olympics. Northolt remarked that he would rather rely on World Cup results than Olympics, so I posted the recent World Cup results to put it into context.

I'm curious to know your thoughts on that topic.

England national team are $hit. And what?

[Factamondo]

as matty said only diehard england fans go expecting to win competions.....i doubt we will ever win one again!

[Joon]

England national team are $hit. And what?

Well Matty, that wasn't what I was getting at. I was responding to Northolt's post, and thus indirectly responding to Facto's more inflammatory post which (as usual) stated that Asians footballers are "not up to standard". Refer to Facto's more recent post (2 posts above) which takes it further, cheerfully stating that "south korean players are excrement on the whole!"


@ West Mids, I understand it would seem strange as it is so different from how it is in England, but for most Asian fans, that approach to football fandom was just not an option. In England, some clubs have been around for over a century, so English football fans could be born into a family supporting a certain club, or start supporting a club that is located in their area. Most Asian football leagues did not exist until very recently, so a similar culture could not develop.

Even until this day, the domestic leagues in most Asian countries are substandard compared to Europe and South American leagues, so the attraction level is low. For a lot of people in Asia, their interest in football began with watching their respective national teams in World Cups, and quite often the players in their national team that were signed by clubs in better leagues attracted them to European football. With South Korean football fans, it was inevitable that most were introduced to the EPL by Ji Sung Park and Young Pyo Lee who both moved from PSV Eindhoven to EPL clubs. It was at that time that Korean TV began live broadcasting EPL games.

I share your disappointment in Park's performance last season, but I'm still a fan of the player so I will keep a tab on him by reading news articles. I don't think I'll watch his games at PSV (except maybe some CL games).


@ Facto, I thought someone might mention the bad calls made in the 2002 World Cup, but the fact is that bad calls are made throughout every World Cup, and it goes both ways. It's unsportsmanlike to attribute the outcome solely to bad calls, and to accuse the South Korean side of cheating is just something you would like to believe. Even if Team SK did lose the game against Spain in the quarterfinals, they would still have matched England in that tournament. I think that suffices to rebuff your assertion about excrement.

As for your new post not being a comment about race, I am sorry but I do not believe you, because you have repeatedly made these same remarks in the past, in explicitly racist syntax, for which you have received warns and temp bans. If you sincerely mean it, I guess I will see in the months and years to come that you speak the truth. Until then, please bear with my skepticism.

[vblockranger]

Only care about QPR

Dont care about national squad and especially about the Olympic Team GB team. Take 3 league points for QPR over the national side winning a tournament tbh.

[West Acton]

Dont care about national squad and especially about the Olympic Team GB team. Take 3 league points for QPR over the national side winning a tournament tbh.

Agree VBlock I used to make the effort and go England games but lost all enthusiasm rather sit in the comfort of the front room and watch as there is no excitement like going Rangers. Want England to win but if I had the option now of England Qualifying for next world cup or 3 points against Huddersfield I would take the 3 points

[vblockranger]

Agree VBlock I used to make the effort and go England games but lost all enthusiasm rather sit in the comfort of the front room and watch as there is no excitement like going Rangers. Want England to win but if I had the option now of England Qualifying for next world cup or 3 points against Huddersfield I would take the 3 points

Same mate

[Factamondo]

joons its not a race thing ,which you are clearly attempting it to become............my personal opinion is korean players cant cut the mustard in the harsh reality of premier league football.....park 'shone' in englands biggest team surrounded by top quality internationals.........came to a lesser team n stank the place out.....i wish him and other korean players no ill......just dont rate them on what ive seen!

[Rangers77]

No interest in England. What interest I had was killed off by the appalling Sven, the wretched Italian who couldn't speak English and the horrible and endless Beckham hype. I wouldn't turn on my TV to watch them.

[vblockranger]

South Korea = = = Well known World Cup cheats. That JApanese kid in Utd's team makes your lot look like amateurs.

[Joon]

South Korea = = = Well known World Cup cheats. That JApanese kid in Utd's team makes your lot look like amateurs.

Well, I won't stoop to your level over the cheating comment, vblock.

As for the "Japanese kid" whose name is Shinji Kagawa, he is a good footballer and had an excellent season in the Bundesliga before being signed by United last season. Kagawa had a decent first season and even managed a hat-trick with bumped up his season tally to 6 goals and 5 assists. Kagawa is more of a goal threat than Park was, and I think he has an excellent career ahead of him. However, Kagawa will have to put in a good number of seasons to match Park's success at United, and he was humble enough to make that remark himself.

As for Kagawa making my "lot" look like amateurs, you should look up a certain player by the name of Heung Min Son who scored 12 goals and made 2 assists at Hamburg SV last season in the Bundesliga.


@ Facto, I'm not trying to "turn" this into anything. You are still posting along the same lines that you did before, only with better word choice, which I do appreciate. I am not naive enough to believe that a man changes his ways and thoughts overnight, but neither am I blind to the possibility that you may be sincere, so I am remaining skeptical, for now.