Down-sizing Squad..Will Be Difficult

[Rich]

I remember when Aygemang was signed thinking 4 and a half years was a long time.

I know its a gamble and if someone who turns out really good comes in on a one year deal you have the problem with him leaving for nothing soon after arriving....However most people with half a football brain would know that if Preston were willing to sell we were missing something, couple in the facts he wasn't a great player for them and a football man would know he is an average champ player at best. Personally I would not have bought him and was saying this when he scored 8 goals in 6 games or whatever his return was. If you're gonna sign a risk player, which he is, you give him a 1 year or as he came in Jan, 18 months top!

[stanistheman]

I would give players a two year contract with an option to extend after the 1st year, unless it is well known what they can do i.e, Buzsaky & Vine.

But no way would I have offered the likes of Hall, Helguson, Pellicori, Agyemang or Mahon anything longer than 2 years.

These players wont go anywhere unless the move is right for them.

I agree that if they go out on loan, the contracted club would need to make good any drop in wages. So there is no good footballing reason why any of the above or others should refuse to go, if they are told they will not be involved with the 1st team.

Hopefully if Agyemang & Mahon are wanted by other clubs, they will go.

[Dazzer1977]

when your mate GP has given them 4.5yr deals on great wages, why in the **** would they want to leave the club....

im sure if your boss told you that you werent required and had a chance to do the same job elsewhere for less money you'd jump at the job rather than wait for redundancy eh?...

fantastic prudent spending as always by Gianni

Two fantastic comments there fella... Obviously you know your stuff!

Fact 1 - If a club chooses to sell a player usually the contract is paid up in full or the player agrees a pay off in some way therefore the player doesn't really lose out when being sold. It can be different if a player requests to leave. It then down to a players bonuses and morals on whether they want to play football (the supposid sport they eat sleep and breath) or if they just want to pick up their basic and rott in the reserves!

Fact 2 - You know how much our players are on do you? Enlighten us all then... FOR your information a lot of our players are on FAR LESS than people are led to believe! Long deals yes were agreed but most are well inline with what a lot of other clubs are paying for similar types of players. We have money but we aren't and won't throw it about. GP actually is a right ****ing tight ar$e when it comes to spending money believe it or not! We have budgets which are met, in fact HAVE TO BE met! Our average players wage across the squad in about £7k a week (just over to be precise).

There are enough baffoons on here who think the know all the clubs in's and out's but half is speculation and far from the truth. My advice would be to have a look the companies books rather than making strange and silly assumptions for the sheep to follow!

[writtler]

There are also some right buffoons who preach to us and make out that everything they spout is gospel...

Pot kettle black springs to mind...

[Dazzer1977]

There are also some right buffoons who preach to us and make out that everything they spout is gospel...

Pot kettle black springs to mind...

The clubs finances is something I am very clued up on. Players coming in and out are rumours and things I hear elsewhere. Never once claimed anything as gospel other than what I know as fact.

As I said if you're a share holder why not trying using what mathmatical education you have and look at the clubs books. Perhaps then you could make a solid judgement for yourself on whether players are being paid over the odds or not.

[qblockpete]

We are singling out one player on a long term contract for convenience.

He didn't do too bad early doors. Cannot have it both ways, don';t give these player long term contracts, then players like Connolly, Legs, Buzsacky and others could have walked for nothing end of last season.

[Captain Clunge]

The clubs finances is something I am very clued up on. Players coming in and out are rumours and things I hear elsewhere. Never once claimed anything as gospel other than what I know as fact.

As I said if you're a share holder why not trying using what mathmatical education you have and look at the clubs books. Perhaps then you could make a solid judgement for yourself on whether players are being paid over the odds or not.

Wow. You must have unique access to the club's accountant/accounts then Dazzer?

Latest filed accounts were for QPR Holdings, for year ending May 2008. Now in my book, thats nearly 18months behind where we are today. All it says in the accounts is that squad salaries increased 43% as a result of the (then) 12 new players arriving/11 new incoming loans and 19 players released.

All I've been able to do, from the accounts, is divide the total wage bill by number of players/managers/coaches (page 51).

All that determines was that average annual salary in 2007 was £143k, and in 2008 was £153k.

Do tell us what unpublished information you have?

[Jamie]

My advice would be to have a look the companies books rather than making strange and silly assumptions for the sheep to follow!

i have had a look and we are losing money over fist, most of which is due to Cost of Sales - i.e. Player Wages......

back over to you...

We are singling out one player on a long term contract for convenience.
He didn't do too bad early doors. Cannot have it both ways, don';t give these player long term contracts, then players like Connolly, Legs, Buzsacky and others could have walked for nothing end of last season.

Ramage, Hall, Borrowdale, Routledge, Cook, Faurlin, Vine, Agyemang and Pellicori are all under contract until 2012...

Cook and Hall spend more time on the physios bench than Matty Rose, Ramage, Borrowdale, Agyemang and Pellicori arent going to be in our long term plans, Faurlin was and still is a complete unknown....

you can argue until you are blue in the face that GP is some kind of financial genius, but the simple facts are that he has given long term deals to players we are now going to struggle to offload as other clubs wont/cant give them comparible deals to what they are on here....

Fact 1 - If a club chooses to sell a player usually the contract is paid up in full or the player agrees a pay off in some way therefore the player doesn't really lose out when being sold. It can be different if a player requests to leave. It then down to a players bonuses and morals on whether they want to play football (the supposid sport they eat sleep and breath) or if they just want to pick up their basic and rott in the reserves!

so you're saying its absolutely fine for GP to be tying down ****e players like Agyemang, Borrowdale, Cook, Pellicori on very lucrative long term deals as we can just pay them off if we decide we dont want them.....

true financial genius arent you

[stainrodisalegend]

Don't think its as straightforward as some imply. If we had let Buz or Connolly slip away on a Bosman many fans would be furious. Must admit have never been Agyman's greatest fan as think you either go for young up and coming players or proven talent rather than journeymen but when he was knocking the goals in that kept us up there weren't many complaining then.

But Pete, more importantly, are you saying that we are probably not going to be able to loan players out and is this going to make it impossible to bring any in?

[Jamie]

If we had let Buz or Connolly slip away on a Bosman many fans would be furious.

agreed, however Buzsaky and Connolly are on SHORTER contracts than Cook, Routledge, Hall, Borrowdale, Faurlin, Agyemang, Pellicori, Vine and Ramage...

Cerny, Legs, Rowlands, Balanta, Gorkks are also on shorter deals than the above....

Balanta in fact is out of contract next summer....

[stainrodisalegend]

Agree Jamie, that is strange. But with Agyman I think we have to remember how desperate we were at the time - we needed someone v quickly to score goals. We were near the bottom of the table and were hardly a v attractive proposition for better strikers. If he secured our championship status he was cheap at the price, whatever happens afterwards. Every club has loads of donkeys on long term contracts they can't get rid of, we just hardly hear about them because they are languishing in the reserves.
Agree with one of the other posters who says we need to be ruthless. Vine has the potential to work his way back, but those who clearly aren't good enough any more need to be told in no uncertain terms that there is no point "staying to fight for their place" because it is a fight they have already lost.