Thank you captain park

[Jeems]

Off the field he has turned us into a laughing stock with two humiliating seasons of spending money which we as a club cannot sustain and being relegated from the top division. You may think thats a great job but i beg to differ. If on the other hand you refer to the tweets about a new academy/training ground/stadium then please remember so far thats all they have been...tweets and planning permission.. The training ground/ Academy is also imo the minimal thing a responsible owner should be putting in place and if it wasnt for the fact that we have been run so poorly over the years these would already be in place the same as at other clubs. Look you trust him to always put QPR first, the majority trust him also. Some fans, a minority admittedly, just dont. Compared to many of our past owners he is a godsend but i just cant see the adulation and near worship he recieves from some as being healthy for the club. Be wary, thats my motto :-) But each to their own and that goes for my opinon also.

Thats why I said "off the field", I judge TF mainly on off pitch matters and whilst we have been terrible I wont hold him fully responsible. If we get promotion this year, I will give the credit to HR rather then TF.

Tweets and planning permission is a damn sight more then we have had over the years. It will take a few years for stadium and training ground to appear so we cant keep saying "well nothings happened yet" every few weeks!

I know a couple of our scouts and they say the change in philosophy is huge and so much is going on behind the scenes. For example, did you know we have agreements with some South American youth players, they have joined clubs in Italy for a couple of years (easier to get EU citizenship in Italy). If they progress enough, they will join us. Our scouting network has improved tenfold. Small things like this which we didnt do before that the club dont publicize, but deserve a massive amount of credit for.

Its not just Park Ji Sung airplanes you know ;)

[vblockranger]

Thats why I said "off the field", I judge TF mainly on off pitch matters and whilst we have been terrible I wont hold him fully responsible. If we get promotion this year, I will give the credit to HR rather then TF.

Tweets and planning permission is a damn sight more then we have had over the years. It will take a few years for stadium and training ground to appear so we cant keep saying "well nothings happened yet" every few weeks!

I know a couple of our scouts and they say the change in philosophy is huge and so much is going on behind the scenes. For example, did you know we have agreements with some South American youth players, they have joined clubs in Italy for a couple of years (easier to get EU citizenship in Italy). If they progress enough, they will join us. Our scouting network has improved tenfold. Small things like this which we didnt do before that the club dont publicize, but deserve a massive amount of credit for.

Its not just Park Ji Sung airplanes you know ;)

That sounds positive and good planning.

[Johnnykc]

I noticed that article earlier, but don't be confused about the "Captain Park" bit. Park was the captain of the Korean national football team and is still often referred to as "Captain Park" although he is retired from international football now. In interviews, TF thanked Park for helping promote Air Asia in Korea and Asia.

To some extent, it may also be TF saying to Park, "thanks for your efforts as captain last season which got you more blame than the average player". Some reporters speculated on this, but that is what it is, speculation.

It probably has no bearing on the current or future captaincy of the club.

Captain Park more likely refers to the fact that Captains fly planes. It doesnt say "Thanks Park, Captain of QPR, what a great footballer you are"

There is no issue, this was done off season and doesnt affect the club. Multitasking, it makes sense no?

If TF wasnt able to generate money, there would be no signings, no academy, no training ground etc. Some fans just love to have a go!

What's Korean for...'clutching at straws' ?

[vespa]

Completely agree with V, I will continue to support TF and hope he benefits us for the best but I am far from convinced

And i completely agree with V and Northolt

[jmelanie]

Is it called "Park the Plane"

This actually does not mean anything. Planes change all the time. At one time if you flew 1,000,000 miles on United Airlines, they would name a plane after you for a day. I think they have stopped doing that now.

It is possible that this was only put on their for the launch of the service.

[QPRDave]

Seems vblock was on the money regarding Park ......fair play and apologies from me.

[Dazzer1977]

Off the field he has turned us into a laughing stock with two humiliating seasons of spending money which we as a club cannot sustain and being relegated from the top division. You may think thats a great job but i beg to differ. If on the other hand you refer to the tweets about a new academy/training ground/stadium then please remember so far thats all they have been...tweets and planning permission.. The training ground/ Academy is also imo the minimal thing a responsible owner should be putting in place and if it wasnt for the fact that we have been run so poorly over the years these would already be in place the same as at other clubs. Look you trust him to always put QPR first, the majority trust him also. Some fans, a minority admittedly, just dont. Compared to many of our past owners he is a godsend but i just cant see the adulation and near worship he recieves from some as being healthy for the club. Be wary, thats my motto :-) But each to their own and that goes for my opinon also.

Seriously, so how have the likes of Wigan, Fulham, Southampton, Norwich, Swansea have got by spending the money they have over the years? All of those clubs baring Wigan has purchased players for as much if not money than we've spent and I don't see them constantly being hammered in the press or by you. The season we went up the press reported that we were throwing money around left, right and center, yet Neil Warnock himself stated in his book we spent no more than £3million that season - yet you still believe what you've read in the press. How much did Amazon lose last year in the UK? Or shall we look at Costa Coffee's books instead? Millions of companies run at a loss year on year but strangely they never seem to go under - do you not find that funny. Then again you're not a certified accountant, nor have you probably ever run a company given some of your comments in the past, but you still know best.

Do you really honestly think we was paying Samba £100,000 per week? Your arguments are so stupid in that you direct everything at TF yet there is Amit Bhatia, Ruben Emir Gnanalingam and Kamarudin Meranun all to sanction every move or deal the club makes. Not once have you pointed the finger in any of those people direction. You really don't have a leg to stand on with your argument and its nothing more than a stupid childish vendetta against Tony Fernandes which is getting quite pathetic.

We are a laughing stock because of bad player acquisitions by so called "Football People", signing a poorly balanced bunch of individuals. All the board did was support the manager. MH and his team obviously put in a business case into the board to convince them ALL (not just Tony) that the players we needed were the ones he brought in, but it back fired. If the board never backed Hughes they would of been slammed by the fans just like Tango & Cash were for not spending. The fact is they were dammed if they do, but dammed if they don't. The last board got ruined about labeling us £20 fans, yet this chairman has done nothing but try to build a good relationship and try to get the fans back onside, but in your eyes he still can't do no right. If the debt was so out of control do you really think the club could afford to reduce Season Ticket prices by £150. Then again you know the full facts, all the details, and the in's and out's of the clubs accounting.

We are also a laughing stock because of some of the so called people who say they are fans run on the pitch to confront/criticise players. These are not fans, just mindless buffoons!

[brightonr]

Nail on head, Dazzer.

Wonderful chairman who has not walked, but continued to back us.

If only he had arrived a few years earlier.

[nasser95]

Seriously, so how have the likes of Wigan, Fulham, Southampton, Norwich, Swansea have got by spending the money they have over the years? All of those clubs baring Wigan has purchased players for as much if not money than we've spent and I don't see them constantly being hammered in the press or by you. The season we went up the press reported that we were throwing money around left, right and center, yet Neil Warnock himself stated in his book we spent no more than £3million that season - yet you still believe what you've read in the press. How much did Amazon lose last year in the UK? Or shall we look at Costa Coffee's books instead? Millions of companies run at a loss year on year but strangely they never seem to go under - do you not find that funny. Then again you're not a certified accountant, nor have you probably ever run a company given some of your comments in the past, but you still know best.

Do you really honestly think we was paying Samba £100,000 per week? Your arguments are so stupid in that you direct everything at TF yet there is Amit Bhatia, Ruben Emir Gnanalingam and Kamarudin Meranun all to sanction every move or deal the club makes. Not once have you pointed the finger in any of those people direction. You really don't have a leg to stand on with your argument and its nothing more than a stupid childish vendetta against Tony Fernandes which is getting quite pathetic.

We are a laughing stock because of bad player acquisitions by so called "Football People", signing a poorly balanced bunch of individuals. All the board did was support the manager. MH and his team obviously put in a business case into the board to convince them ALL (not just Tony) that the players we needed were the ones he brought in, but it back fired. If the board never backed Hughes they would of been slammed by the fans just like Tango & Cash were for not spending. The fact is they were dammed if they do, but dammed if they don't. The last board got ruined about labeling us £20 fans, yet this chairman has done nothing but try to build a good relationship and try to get the fans back onside, but in your eyes he still can't do no right. If the debt was so out of control do you really think the club could afford to reduce Season Ticket prices by £150. Then again you know the full facts, all the details, and the in's and out's of the clubs accounting.

We are also a laughing stock because of some of the so called people who say they are fans run on the pitch to confront/criticise players. These are not fans, just mindless buffoons!

Finally Someone stands up to V's vendetta. It has taken a while but you are absolutely correct.

[vblockranger]

Dazzer - - too hot to argue with you mate and it wont change a thing. You have your opinion, i respect it, i have mine. I hope yours is closer to the truth for the good of the club long term. I hope he has a plan long term that he sees through and that he learnt some valuable lessons last couple of seasons.
Be interesting to see how that new Fulham owner goes about it too. Similiar clubs in fanbase size, area etc. Will he employ a glorified Events manager as CEO and let Jol spend what he wants on transfers while "recommending" a few players that would certainly raise his other business interests profile and also look for a huge new Multi use venue? Or will he appoint a wise overseer, give Jol a budget to stick to and then take a step back and out of the limelight while spending wisely in updating the clubs current ground and facilities? Time will tell i suppose.

[vblockranger]

Finally Someone stands up to V's vendetta. It has taken a while but you are absolutely correct.

lol vendetta? leave it out you numpty

[SammyKojoe]

Seriously, so how have the likes of Wigan, Fulham, Southampton, Norwich, Swansea have got by spending the money they have over the years? All of those clubs baring Wigan has purchased players for as much if not money than we've spent and I don't see them constantly being hammered in the press or by you. The season we went up the press reported that we were throwing money around left, right and center, yet Neil Warnock himself stated in his book we spent no more than £3million that season - yet you still believe what you've read in the press. How much did Amazon lose last year in the UK? Or shall we look at Costa Coffee's books instead? Millions of companies run at a loss year on year but strangely they never seem to go under - do you not find that funny. Then again you're not a certified accountant, nor have you probably ever run a company given some of your comments in the past, but you still know best.

Do you really honestly think we was paying Samba £100,000 per week? Your arguments are so stupid in that you direct everything at TF yet there is Amit Bhatia, Ruben Emir Gnanalingam and Kamarudin Meranun all to sanction every move or deal the club makes. Not once have you pointed the finger in any of those people direction. You really don't have a leg to stand on with your argument and its nothing more than a stupid childish vendetta against Tony Fernandes which is getting quite pathetic.

We are a laughing stock because of bad player acquisitions by so called "Football People", signing a poorly balanced bunch of individuals. All the board did was support the manager. MH and his team obviously put in a business case into the board to convince them ALL (not just Tony) that the players we needed were the ones he brought in, but it back fired. If the board never backed Hughes they would of been slammed by the fans just like Tango & Cash were for not spending. The fact is they were dammed if they do, but dammed if they don't. The last board got ruined about labeling us £20 fans, yet this chairman has done nothing but try to build a good relationship and try to get the fans back onside, but in your eyes he still can't do no right. If the debt was so out of control do you really think the club could afford to reduce Season Ticket prices by £150. Then again you know the full facts, all the details, and the in's and out's of the clubs accounting.

We are also a laughing stock because of some of the so called people who say they are fans run on the pitch to confront/criticise players. These are not fans, just mindless buffoons!

Got to say i agree with this. How people can pick one figure from a set of accounts and base our whole financial position on it is laughable. I dont remember who it was but someone on here was harping on about how much debt we had and on that basis the club was in trouble. Its no different from saying the sales revenue on shirt sales has gone up X amount cause of Park/Fernandes and because of this determining what a healthy position we are in. Neither give any true indication of the financial position of the company.

As the guy above says reporting losses or levels of debt is also not an indication of the position of a company. You need cash at bank/Assets/Reserves and a whole load of other figures to determine the true state of the clubs finances. Information such as this we will never know. Anyone who thinks they do know this is talking rubbish. Not to mention the benefits of reporting losses is no corporation tax payments on profits.

This reminds me of the whole Barton saga where people were saying he should be sacked/fined/breaching club rules etc without having any idea as to what his contract says. Suddenly though lots of people on here were experts and lawyers saying all sorts without any facts.

Am not interested in the finances or debt or players wages cause a) I don't pay them or effect me b) Tont Fernandes is a good businessman who obviously has some business sense. Far more than most on here.

The main point is though as a fan who attends most games is in the last 3 years i have seen promotion and a Championship winning team, Premiership football for 2 seasons, wins against Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and that amazing day at Man City. None of this would have happened without Tony Fernandes. Give the guy a break.

[Stanley]

lol vendetta? leave it out you numpty

People read your posts and see your avatar and you can see how they arrive at that conclusion mate.

You've removed your signature though, so that's something.

[vblockranger]

People read your posts and see your avatar and you can see how they arrive at that conclusion mate.

You've removed your signature though, so that's something.

Well i thought id give him the benefit of the doubt

[Bluehoop]

This.... hope he comes good , i wish him all the best and i remain a bit wary of the long term outcome. Cheers Norths

Serious question V - do you really believe TF made us a laughing stock? Personally, I think that honour goes to Flabio and Eccles with a huge chunk of supporting evidence in the 4 year plan?