Park is a joke

[MattyRangers]

Ethnically, yes. I did mention it several times, and I thought it would be obvious from my occasional translations.

Tbf to ya didn't clock it from translations, you're English is actually far better than alot of people's on here

Just your views on Park is all. Each to their own.

[Joon]

The trouble is fanboys (no offence joon) will never admit to the negative aspects of something they like.

This is the case with Joon and Park.

Northolt, you must have read multiple times where I acknowledged that Park did not do as well as he should have last season, in fact that it was the worst season of his career. Of course, I did also point out that while Park deserves his share of the blame for last season's failures, he does not deserve more blame than the average player.

Just in this thread, I acknowledged his deteriorating knee and workrate, although I disagreed with you and others at just how debilitated his legs are.

[Tarbie]

Tarbie, that particular phrase was referring to Northolt, and I was saying something to the effect of "unless [he] was also an avid Manchester United fan" in addition to being a QPR supporter... the "also" in that phrase was not referring to me.

Nonetheless, I was indeed a fan of Manchester United and I still follow the club, although not as much as before. It is no coincidence that I have become a fan of QPR after Park made his transfer, and I have stated this before. I understand it's not "the British way", but why should it be? I am not British, and neither are most football fans. By your logic, QPR should forever be supported by only a small group of British fans because it would be wrong for people to suddenly gain interest in the club for whatever reasons that are "not British". It is fine that you have your way of supporting QPR, but that does not define how other people should become fans or begin to support QPR. Just how do you think Manchester United garnered so many fans worldwide? By the "British way" you described? Of course not.

As for my own following of Manchester United, the situation was different (from QPR) since I did not follow Park nearly as closely until after he made the move to United. Until then, I would occasionally read up on how Park and Young Pyo Lee were faring at PSV under Guus Hiddink (who managed the Korean national team during the 2002 World Cup), but I did not get to watch the games and did not have the same interest level, so I was following the club but not really a fan or supporter of PSV or Park at that point. I followed the Korean national team and watched numerous A matches in which Park played an important role, but I did not get to watch him at the club level.

Park's move to United was big news, and at that point it became possible for me to watch him at the club level, so I did. Over time, I became a fan of Manchester United and also a bigger fan of Park than I had been. Since I was not particularly rooting for any other team in the EPL at the time, it was natural that I came to support Manchester United, a great club.

When Park made his move to QPR, my interest level in him as a player was high enough that I started watching QPR, and gradually less of Manchester United. That is how I became a fan of QPR.

You asked what will I do when Park retires? I presume I will probably continue supporting QPR, but then maybe not. I will just have to wait and see how much of a mark QPR leaves on me, and when the time comes I will know.

I did explain some of the above earlier, but to reiterate, I was first a supporter of the Korean national football team, and I became interested in each of the members of the 2002 Korean national football team which made their fantastic run to the semifinals of the World Cup. One of those players was Park, and he scored an unbelievable goal against Portugal in the group stages, where he trapped an incoming pass with his chest, bounced it up on his knee and volley-shot to score the winner, then ran to Guus Hiddink and gave him a straddling hug. When Park eventually transferred to Manchester United, it was the first time that I felt like watching the English league, so I naturally became a fan of that club. When Park made the move to QPR, it felt natural for me to watch QPR as well, and now I am a QPR fan. I am still following Manchester United, but I don't watch them enough to say I am a supporter of that club anymore.

This may all seem very strange to you, but the world is full of football fans and fans from different parts of the world are exposed to football in different ways. You don't necessarily have to understand it all, but what you should know is that the "British way" you are used to is not the only way.

Ok Joon, well I kind of understand where you're coming from now. Can't say that I really understand how you could be so fanatically into a player that you would follow them around like that but each to their own I guess.

With regards to your comment about me wanting QPR to be supported by a small group of British fans only, that really isn't the case. I'd love to see our fanbase grow and people coming from far and wide to see QPR play. Me and a pal set up a supporters club over here in Dubai and Yousef from on here has been known to pop over from Kuwait to watch a game with us in the past. What I would say though is that I'd hope that fans are coming to watch us play cos they are interested in watching QPR. By your own comments I would assume that if Park moved to Chelsea tomorrow then you would most likely be logging into Chelsea fan sites and you'd be off to see him play at Stamford Bridge instead of Loftus Road. You have to understand that this type of thing is always going to be an issue to true, die hard fans!

[jmelanie]

Tarbie, that particular phrase was referring to Northolt, and I was saying something to the effect of "unless [he] was also an avid Manchester United fan" in addition to being a QPR supporter... the "also" in that phrase was not referring to me.

Nonetheless, I was indeed a fan of Manchester United and I still follow the club, although not as much as before. It is no coincidence that I have become a fan of QPR after Park made his transfer, and I have stated this before. I understand it's not "the British way", but why should it be? I am not British, and neither are most football fans. By your logic, QPR should forever be supported by only a small group of British fans because it would be wrong for people to suddenly gain interest in the club for whatever reasons that are "not British". It is fine that you have your way of supporting QPR, but that does not define how other people should become fans or begin to support QPR. Just how do you think Manchester United garnered so many fans worldwide? By the "British way" you described? Of course not.

As for my own following of Manchester United, the situation was different (from QPR) since I did not follow Park nearly as closely until after he made the move to United. Until then, I would occasionally read up on how Park and Young Pyo Lee were faring at PSV under Guus Hiddink (who managed the Korean national team during the 2002 World Cup), but I did not get to watch the games and did not have the same interest level, so I was following the club but not really a fan or supporter of PSV or Park at that point. I followed the Korean national team and watched numerous A matches in which Park played an important role, but I did not get to watch him at the club level.

Park's move to United was big news, and at that point it became possible for me to watch him at the club level, so I did. Over time, I became a fan of Manchester United and also a bigger fan of Park than I had been. Since I was not particularly rooting for any other team in the EPL at the time, it was natural that I came to support Manchester United, a great club.

When Park made his move to QPR, my interest level in him as a player was high enough that I started watching QPR, and gradually less of Manchester United. That is how I became a fan of QPR.

You asked what will I do when Park retires? I presume I will probably continue supporting QPR, but then maybe not. I will just have to wait and see how much of a mark QPR leaves on me, and when the time comes I will know.

I did explain some of the above earlier, but to reiterate, I was first a supporter of the Korean national football team, and I became interested in each of the members of the 2002 Korean national football team which made their fantastic run to the semifinals of the World Cup. One of those players was Park, and he scored an unbelievable goal against Portugal in the group stages, where he trapped an incoming pass with his chest, bounced it up on his knee and volley-shot to score the winner, then ran to Guus Hiddink and gave him a straddling hug. When Park eventually transferred to Manchester United, it was the first time that I felt like watching the English league, so I naturally became a fan of that club. When Park made the move to QPR, it felt natural for me to watch QPR as well, and now I am a QPR fan. I am still following Manchester United, but I don't watch them enough to say I am a supporter of that club anymore.

This may all seem very strange to you, but the world is full of football fans and fans from different parts of the world are exposed to football in different ways. You don't necessarily have to understand it all, but what you should know is that the "British way" you are used to is not the only way.

I think the British way is that you tend to support the same team forever. Often it is the team your family supported when you were a kid and you follow in their footsteps. This is not always the case. My family supported Nottingham Forest, because this is where they came from, but that was some 60 or so years ago.

[SammyKojoe]

Tarbie, that particular phrase was referring to Northolt, and I was saying something to the effect of "unless [he] was also an avid Manchester United fan" in addition to being a QPR supporter... the "also" in that phrase was not referring to me.

Nonetheless, I was indeed a fan of Manchester United and I still follow the club, although not as much as before. It is no coincidence that I have become a fan of QPR after Park made his transfer, and I have stated this before. I understand it's not "the British way", but why should it be? I am not British, and neither are most football fans. By your logic, QPR should forever be supported by only a small group of British fans because it would be wrong for people to suddenly gain interest in the club for whatever reasons that are "not British". It is fine that you have your way of supporting QPR, but that does not define how other people should become fans or begin to support QPR. Just how do you think Manchester United garnered so many fans worldwide? By the "British way" you described? Of course not.

As for my own following of Manchester United, the situation was different (from QPR) since I did not follow Park nearly as closely until after he made the move to United. Until then, I would occasionally read up on how Park and Young Pyo Lee were faring at PSV under Guus Hiddink (who managed the Korean national team during the 2002 World Cup), but I did not get to watch the games and did not have the same interest level, so I was following the club but not really a fan or supporter of PSV or Park at that point. I followed the Korean national team and watched numerous A matches in which Park played an important role, but I did not get to watch him at the club level.

Park's move to United was big news, and at that point it became possible for me to watch him at the club level, so I did. Over time, I became a fan of Manchester United and also a bigger fan of Park than I had been. Since I was not particularly rooting for any other team in the EPL at the time, it was natural that I came to support Manchester United, a great club.

When Park made his move to QPR, my interest level in him as a player was high enough that I started watching QPR, and gradually less of Manchester United. That is how I became a fan of QPR.

You asked what will I do when Park retires? I presume I will probably continue supporting QPR, but then maybe not. I will just have to wait and see how much of a mark QPR leaves on me, and when the time comes I will know.

I did explain some of the above earlier, but to reiterate, I was first a supporter of the Korean national football team, and I became interested in each of the members of the 2002 Korean national football team which made their fantastic run to the semifinals of the World Cup. One of those players was Park, and he scored an unbelievable goal against Portugal in the group stages, where he trapped an incoming pass with his chest, bounced it up on his knee and volley-shot to score the winner, then ran to Guus Hiddink and gave him a straddling hug. When Park eventually transferred to Manchester United, it was the first time that I felt like watching the English league, so I naturally became a fan of that club. When Park made the move to QPR, it felt natural for me to watch QPR as well, and now I am a QPR fan. I am still following Manchester United, but I don't watch them enough to say I am a supporter of that club anymore.

This may all seem very strange to you, but the world is full of football fans and fans from different parts of the world are exposed to football in different ways. You don't necessarily have to understand it all, but what you should know is that the "British way" you are used to is not the only way.

At least when i have trouble sleeping tonight cause of the heat i can read this again and be out like a light.

Anyway he was very poor last year. That is being kind as well.

[MYU]

Here are some MOM votes from last year that you members voted, might jog some peoples memory's.

http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/f...-QPR-v-Swansea - Park came 2nd
http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/f...-Norwich-v-QPR - Park came 1st
http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/f...ter-City-v-QPR - Park cane 2nd
http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/f...-QPR-v-Chelsea - Joint 3rd


You can check the rest yourselves - http://www.wearetherangersboys.com/f...N-OF-THE-MATCH

Adel won the most man of the match votes last year.

Trophy will be given to Adel on the next London Call In Show if his still here, or hope the club can give it to him before he leaves on behalf of this website and all our members.

[Norths]

Not overly fussed but it could have been koreans that voted for him on here even if he didnt perform well?

Seen those motm polls on facebook where all the koreans voted for him and other times where he didnt even play and you had korean people saying Park had performed the best.

[MYU]

Not really as we only have a few Korean fans, some games he didn't get any votes at all. I'm just stating a fact that's all.

[Norths]

Not really as we only have a few Korean fans, some games he didn't get any votes at all. I'm just stating a fact that's all.

Looking through them threads there are some obvious korean posters banging on about Park being motm.

That swansea one reopened old wounds.

[Rangers77]

God. There's been many times I wish I didn't have to support QPR... I've no bleeding choice in the matter.

[westsussexranger]

God. There's been many times I wish I didn't have to support QPR... I've no bleeding choice in the matter.

same here with briatore in the harford and hart period i started following stevenage (where i was born) a lot closer than i had done. never changed allegiances mind

[Skimmilk]

Northolt, you must have read multiple times where I acknowledged that Park did not do as well as he should have last season, in fact that it was the worst season of his career. Of course, I did also point out that while Park deserves his share of the blame for last season's failures, he does not deserve more blame than the average player.

Just in this thread, I acknowledged his deteriorating knee and workrate, although I disagreed with you and others at just how debilitated his legs are.

I think you are describing the Park of 5 years ago. In the last few years, it seems we have seen a different person without the same drive. It seems he was content to sit on the bench while pursuing a degree from a Korean diploma mill, rather than to fight for a spot on the team.

The fact that he wouldn't get going until November or December was no secret. In his last few seasons at United, it was obvious that he had atrophied, and that it would take him far longer to get into passable condition. It was obvious why United needed a better player at his position.

Last season, we all witnessed a player that never reached passable shape. Some players can still perform when they are out of shape. But certainly Park is not one of them, unless you think doing well for 20 or 25 minutes of a game is acceptable, because his natural speed is already poor as it is.

The Park of today has simply lost his will to win, and I don't think we'll be seeing him in the top flight of a top league any more. His next destination will likely be the MLS or an Arab country. I seriously doubt we'll be seeing him in Korea or Japan, as he would be embarrassingly slow even in comparison to mediocre players in these leagues.

[Joon]

I think you are describing the Park of 5 years ago. In the last few years, it seems we have seen a different person without the same drive. It seems he was content to sit on the bench while pursuing a degree from a Korean diploma mill, rather than to fight for a spot on the team.

The fact that he wouldn't get going until November or December was no secret. In his last few seasons at United, it was obvious that he had atrophied, and that it would take him far longer to get into passable condition. It was obvious why United needed a better player at his position.

Last season, we all witnessed a player that never reached passable shape. Some players can still perform when they are out of shape. But certainly Park is not one of them, unless you think doing well for 20 or 25 minutes of a game is acceptable, because his natural speed is already poor as it is.

The Park of today has simply lost his will to win, and I don't think we'll be seeing him in the top flight of a top league any more. His next destination will likely be the MLS or an Arab country. I seriously doubt we'll be seeing him in Korea or Japan, as he would be embarrassingly slow even in comparison to mediocre players in these leagues.

Park was indeed pretty bad last season, especially when compared with his own past seasons.

However, who in the team really did better than Park in terms of end product, other than Remy and Zamora? Taarabt was the only one to tie him at 4 assists, and of course he had goals unlike Park, but he also had about double the playing time and the entire attack was centered around him for most of the season.

Also take into consideration that unlike the above players, Park was played at CM last season, and had significantly less playing time than most of our first team.

Townsend of course was consistent and garnered 2 goals and 1 assist in just 12 games played, but his goal and assist tally did not exceed Park's attack points by the end of the season. It may have been different if he was around from the beginning of the season, but then Park may have also performed better if he had been played on the wing like Townsend.

If we were Manchester United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool I think you'd be right to point out that Park's abilities no longer merit a starting spot, but the reality is that we were at the bottom of the table in the PL and we've just been relegated to the Championship. I disagree that Park will be unable to perform at the Championship level considering that he did still contribute a bit in the PL last season, despite it being his personal worst.

Only 2 seasons have passed since Park's personal best season (2010-11), and while he has had injuries since then, none were catastrophic, just chronic.

[jmelanie]

Park was indeed pretty bad last season.

However, who in the team really did better than Park in terms of end product, other than Remy and Zamora? Taarabt was the only one to tie him at 4 assists, and of course he had goals unlike Park, but he also had about double the playing time and the entire attack was centered around him for most of the season.

Also take into consideration that unlike the above players, Park was played at CM last season, and had less significantly less playing time than most of our first team.

Yes maybe he did do better than Zamora!! Off to watch the All Stars Game (on TV, can't afford the $10,000 a ticket).

[Shepherds Mush]

Aside from the assist at Southampton, he pretty much gave the ball away every time it went near him in that game.

Don't count 1 assist in a game as him having a blinder and being the best player on the pitch. In fact, Green was better than him in that game and he was only on for 10 minutes !